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Looks encouraging but there's so many stories about this and that great leap forward at the moment I find it hard to put faith in anything that's not available to buy in the here and now.
 

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Just spotted this and worth digging up. Just to remind everyone the next big thing is always around the corner. 3 years on, no sign. Don't get too excited about low cost 300mile range EVs any time soon.

Our best bet in my view is reliable 150mile EVs.
 

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Just spotted this and worth digging up. Just to remind everyone the next big thing is always around the corner. 3 years on, no sign. Don't get too excited about low cost 300mile range EVs any time soon.

Our best bet in my view is reliable 150mile EVs.
150 miles really is the sweet spot. This would then cover 99% of my journeys.

Also less dependence on rapid chargers when going on long range trips. In fact quicker recharging as the charging power can stay longer at the maximum 50kW.
 

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150 miles would we be the sweet spot for me in my personal situation....

I don't need an EV that can do 300 miles.

1. I recharge my car every night and leave my home with 100% every morning.

2. Why lug around a 100kWh battery when a 50kWh would suit me just fine.

3. An EV with a 300 mile range is going to cost me £10k+ over a 150 miles range EV.

4. On that three or four times a year that I travel further than 150 miles I can recharge in half hour.

Don't get me wrong as technology improves and the cost difference between a 150 and 300 mile range EV is a few thousand. Then yes I would go for the 300 mile range. But I'm talking about the technology in the present day.

A 150 miles range EV is a realistic purchase and range for the majority of the public.
 

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Well quite. I'd like a 100,000 mile range EV which costs £5000

Which, if LiIon battery technology really had obeyed Moore's law, I should already be able to buy. (First Li-Ion battery in 1990 to today is the same as the time from the Intel 4004 "IC" to the Pentium ...)
 

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6 years ago, the sweet spot was considered to be 80 miles. In 6 years time the sweet spot will be 250 miles. Moving target. Irrelevant?
What your reasoning for that?

Applying that to ICE average of 10,000miles a year with a 250mile range is 40 charges a year. That would be pretty sweet.
 

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Just like back in the day 640 Kilobytes of RAM was thought to be 'enough for anyone.' - As apparently said by a chap called Bill Gates.
Or of course immediately after WW2 the future worldwide total demand for computers was expected to be in single figures.
 

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150 miles would we be the sweet spot for me in my personal situation....

I don't need an EV that can do 300 miles.

1. I recharge my car every night and leave my home with 100% every morning.

2. Why lug around a 100kWh battery when a 50kWh would suit me just fine.

3. An EV with a 300 mile range is going to cost me £10k+ over a 150 miles range EV.

4. On that three or four times a year that I travel further than 150 miles I can recharge in half hour.

Don't get me wrong as technology improves and the cost difference between a 150 and 300 mile range EV is a few thousand. Then yes I would go for the 300 mile range. But I'm talking about the technology in the present day.

A 150 miles range EV is a realistic purchase and range for the majority of the public.
I think everything above is perfectly sensible. I suspect storage systems (battery, supercaps etc) will get better & cheaper over time..but I think plugging in at home & at work is the way to go. Not every journey has to be done with an EV & there is no reason why an EV can not be the second car in a family or why people can not use initiative for the occasional long journey they make. EV are not good for people who regularly drive 300/ 500 miles a day. Anyone who drives these distances would also not buy a host of ICEs because a lot of cars simply are not built for things like this. You eill not buy a city car if you spend your like on a highway..
 

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I'm having a hard time visualising what kind of life that might be. I'd be wiped out inside a week!
I used to do 100miles a day and that was crap enough, its 2 hours a day of your life you don't get back.

However it gives me a way of putting all this EVs have rubbish range nonsense to bed. When I first started this 100mile a day commute (it was an unplanned job change) I was tooling about in a 1992 mini cooper which normally did about 20miles a day commute. Pressing it into 100miles of motorway a day from 20miles of rural showed me that the range of just 2 days of driving was hard going because I had to refuel every second day at least. Often every day if I did any around town driving each day. Which is basically the same deal as with most EVs, the big difference is your refuel takes seconds to setup with an EV. Unlock flap/plug in/ walk away. But with a petrol car I had to queue up at the nearest garage (a few miles from home, or a few miles from work) spend 5mins pumping fuel, then 10mins standing in a queue to pay before I could continue home or to work.

I eventually switched to my first and only Diesel, an Escort 1.9TDi (90PS with intercooler). 4 years old with 70,000 on the clock, I doubled that mileage in 2 years before it started to fall to bits. It "only" did 50mpg (which was actually ok for its time) but its saving grace is I only had to queue for diesel once a week. That and it saved my mini from the scrappies.

If I had to go back to 100mile commutes I'd have no issue with taking the Zoe, even thought it would need charged at destination and home because it takes so little time to start filling it.
 
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people who regularly drive 300/ 500 miles a day
500miles in a day is minimum 7hours on the motorway. So its not like they'll get much actual work done lol. I suppose if you could get away with it in an EV you get at least 2 1/2 hours time on the books doing sod all but watching your car charge.

plus if your a travelling sales man doing 500miles a day in a 300 mile range EV you deserve every penny you get because you must be minted.
 

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Seriously - 500 miles every day?
Salesmen do do it - big corporate "account manager" types. The thing is, they may only have a half hour "relationship building" meeting. But they will drive to the other side of the country for it. Some of them have a "problem" with public transport - I knew one who insisted on driving even into central London (and the more commercial salesmen may be lugging samples or whatever, although much less so these days as who sells physical product).

They tend to average 70mph (ha!) and only spend 30 minutes to an hour with the client, of which they might only have one a day (maybe two). So a 10-hour day will see them doing say two meetings and 8 x 70 = 560 miles. They will do three days like that in the week and then call it quits.
 

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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."

Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943
I somewhat doubt that he would be commenting on the commercial merits of a device that was top secret at the time and only started operating in December of that year. ;)
 
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