[cah197]

In 2018 it’s now officially the Tesla Model 3:

Global August Sales: Model 3 Dominates, Tesla #1 Overall

Leaf sales look like they’re going backwards, so there’s no chance of catching up now. Not when the M3 is being delivered at twice the monthly rate of the Leaf.

 

[andrew*debbie]

Wait until Tesla start selling outside of US and Canada...

Here in the UK, BEV sales are under under 1,000 a month. August was about 700. That is for all makes and models.

When the M3 finally gets here, I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla sell more than 1,000 a month.

 

[andrew*debbie]

Leaf sales look like they’re going backwards, so there’s no chance of catching up now. Not when the M3 is being delivered at twice the monthly rate of the Leaf.

At least Nissan are making money on LEAF. Carlos G. says Nissan are about the only manufacturer making a profit on EVs. That is about to change with Tesla getting close to break even.

Nissan might reverse the slide with their 2020EVs. If they deliver what was promised by the concept cars and keep the price below the M3, there is a chance. Waiting for spyshots.

VW are going to be an also ran. They are gearing up to build "up to" 100,000 BEVs per year in 2020. Sure there will be some people getting the Van thing for nostalgia or style. But 100,000 BEVs world wide per year in 2020 is too conservative. Model 3 production is somewhere around 3 times that number now.

 

[Kingpleb1]

Well I know VAG group BEV's have decent profit in them as well as nissan and Renault. Renault's is probably the slimmest of the profits but in Europe volumes it adds back up.

 

[proddick]

Well I know VAG group BEV's have decent profit in them

How do you know? Some inside info? Being handmade in the ex-Phaeton factory I seriously doubt they make much gross margin and no way have they recouped R&D costs yet.

I have only considered the eGolf as they sold so few eUp they can't have made any return on that investment!

 

[Jayne]

How do you know? Some inside info? Being handmade in the ex-Phaeton factory I seriously doubt they make much gross margin and no way have they recouped R&D costs yet.

I have only considered the eGolf as they sold so few eUp they can't have made any return on that investment!

No idea about profit margins but I know that a fair number of them, including mine, are built in Wolfsburg, not the fancy visitor attraction factory.

 

[Kingpleb1]

How do you know? Some inside info? Being handmade in the ex-Phaeton factory I seriously doubt they make much gross margin and no way have they recouped R&D costs yet.

I have only considered the eGolf as they sold so few eUp they can't have made any return on that investment!

I know for the factory/group and the dealership level, there is a good chunk of profit in them and if they could get more out the doors they would do. Dealers are restricted in how many they can order due to lead times.
At factory level it was battery packs and still is to some extent that inhibited supply but the pheaton unit was never really designed to build the amount of units that they have been pushing out

 

[andrew*debbie]

Looking at the OP, VW aren't even in the top 20 for both models and overall. VW, the second largest car manufacturer in the world, aren't in the top 20.

 

[McPhee]

Looking at the OP, VW aren't even in the top 20 for both models and overall. VW, the second largest car manufacturer in the world, aren't in the top 20.

They are there, at #7 in the "manufacturers" table.

Also worth noting; Inside EVs splits "manufacturers" down in to individual brands. Like-for-like, the most surprising absences are Ford and Honda, the world's third and fourth biggest car brands. The world's biggest, Toyota, only managed 10th.

If IEVs were using the conventional measure for ranking manufacturers, the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance would be the world's top EV manufacturer, not Tesla.