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Hello. First post here. May I introduce myself - Matt - don't currently own an ev but thinking very hard about putting in an order in for an i3.

Hence I wanted to ask the forums views on charging an ev without a driveway. I live in a typical London terraced street with no drive. I can mostly park outside my house so would need to trail lead from house, over pavement, and then to car.

Do people think this is a no go or is this relatively common here? Also what advice do people have about doing this? (i.e. Security, practicality etc).

Do many ev'ers do this?

Many thanks for any help. If this has already been covered very happy to have the link pointed out as an answer.

Cheers,

Matt.

Ps no public charging points nearby.
 

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Hi matt, welcome to the forum.
Yes this topic has come up and is basically a no no to trail leads across the pavement but OLEV have a grant scheme for councils to fit a charge point near your house , be worth seeing if your borough want to help. Andy
 

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Hi. Thanks for amazingly speedy reply! I do have some reservations about dragging cables out. Have slightly harebrained ideas involving gantries etc... I'll have a look at the local council route.

Anyone had success with their council?
 

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Hi and welcome on board…….

Any sort of charging where the cables and the public are mixed is defiantly a no go
What sort of milage do you cover?

It is quite possible if you go for the i3 rex and use rapid charging or charge at work then you could easily survive without home charging. The biggest problem is……. with home you have an element of control over your cost, with public charging you are at the mercy of the providers and it could end up costing more to run than a normal pertol car.
 

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Hi AndyG - thanks. Normal commuting would be about 20 miles a day. Have asked work about getting charging fitted though no reply as of yet. But if they agree then this would be perfect.

Yes public charging and no control over costs is one of my reservations. Am looking at the rex as a partial solution to this.

Given the 30 week lead time perhaps the council and work will come up trumps!

Need some kind of drive/no drive EV buddy system!
 

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Hi. Thanks for amazingly speedy reply! I do have some reservations about dragging cables out. Have slightly harebrained ideas involving gantries etc... I'll have a look at the local council route.

Anyone had success with their council?
With the new addition of an EV last weekend and the old ice car occupying the carport uninsured and waiting to be sold, I have been charging without issue every night outside the front of my modern terraced house. I just bought 2m ramped cable cover from a online safety company to cover the cable.

Tbh so far as it gets plugged in a 11pm and unplugged at 6am I'm pretty sure 99% of neighbours and local residents don't even realise we now run an EV.

Of course with a home charger for the carport on order and the ice car being sold in the next few weeks this will stop in under a month but so far tempory in street parking and charging overnight seems a complete non issue.

For sure if the whole street has EV's all doing it then it's a major safety issue. I'm convinced if EV's take off in the next five years then some system of council installed plastic cable channels with secured flip up lids outside each terraced house to run charging cables below the pavement foot level will appear to allow EVSE or wall tethered charging leads to go across the path of foot pedestrians safely.

Induction charging underneath the car is a nice idea but as with a terraced house you don't own the section of street the fronts your house ensuring you get to park on it to charge will be stressful. Also the cost of digging the road to install induction charging and link it to your house electricity supply will be massively expensive.

Installing a specialist designed waterproof cable carrier tube/ channel across 2m of path from your property boundary to the kerb will be low cost to install and could be done by specialist teams as home chargers are now currently. It will happen one day if we go majority electric cars. It has to.

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With the new addition of an EV last weekend and the old ice car occupying the carport uninsured and waiting to be sold, I have been charging without issue every night outside the front of my modern terraced house. I just bought 2m ramped cable cover from a online safety company to cover the cable.
If it is done carefully so that there is no risk to anyone as a trip hazard then I could see that working but I suspect that it would breach either planning laws or other byelaws. I would imagine you would need some kind of authority to put a live cable across a public right of way regardless of how well you have done it.

For sure if the whole street has EV's all doing it then it's a major safety issue. I'm convinced if EV's take off in the next five years then some system of council installed plastic cable channels with secured flip up lids outside each terraced house to run charging cables below the pavement foot level will appear to allow EVSE or wall tethered charging leads to go across the path of foot pedestrians safely.
That is a great idea and I love it! It would solve the issue of on-street charging for a load more than just those with off-street parking. However, like a lot of great ideas, I can't see that ever happening. It is too simple... too cheap.

Installing a specialist designed waterproof cable carrier tube/ channel across 2m of path from your property boundary to the kerb will be low cost to install and could be done by specialist teams as home chargers are now currently. It will happen one day if we go majority electric cars. It has to.
I hope this happens but I won't hold my breath!
 

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Volt 69. Thanks for the details. Appreciated.

I wondered if people where using cable covers as a solution. Something I could make work where I live (ignoring, for the moment, other hazards). Paul Churchley may have a valid point about authority needed - though I'd have a guess that most people sometime or other will have draped a conventional charger across the pavement to an ICE car??
 

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Your council will have had to have put in a bid for the relevant funding. Kerbside charging points are paid for from a different pot from the domestic points. You won't be eligible for a domestic point unless you have off-road parking. Source: Kent County Council.

I have been thinking about this problem and there is a simple remedy to cables trailing over the pavement: let them trail under it! Essentially, cut a shallow channel in the pavement and line it with metal in the manner that used to be common in terraced houses for draining rainwater from the roof. Of course, no-one has thought about this obvious and simple solution. I leave it to the panel to think about any drawbacks.
 

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Volt 69. Thanks for the details. Appreciated.

I wondered if people where using cable covers as a solution. Something I could make work where I live (ignoring, for the moment, other hazards). Paul Churchley may have a valid point about authority needed - though I'd have a guess that most people sometime or other will have draped a conventional charger across the pavement to an ICE car??
Easily. Vacuum cleaner, rotary polisher, home jet wash machine. All used for several years on my cars parked on the pavement outside my terraced house, often 2-3 hours at a time in broad daylight with passing residents stepping over the leads or rolling baby buggies gently over the cables. But then if 90% of all your neighbours all have to do this to preen their motors then no one bats an eyelid or moans. Can't remember anyone ever saying anything but then neither do I if my neighbours do it.

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As a temporary solution and you do as @volt69 and take all possible precautions then you would probably be alright. As a long term solution IMO you could get into trouble. There are loads of people in the world looking at ways to make an easy buck, by creating an "accident". This is a situation that for 99% of the population is compleatly safe but easily could be used as part of a no win no fee case.

@semmtexx depending on what you want the car for away from your normal 20 mile commute then even a short range BEV like a LEAF could fill your needs. There are people who have only ever used Rapids and never charged at home.
IMO I would go for either a car like the i3 rex and never worry about range or a LEAF, if I was close enough to a Rapid and could afford to spend 45 mins there every second/third day for my commute and for any longer trip both cars would work well.
 

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Agree with @AndyG, there's a chance someone may attempt a 'trip for cash'. The difference with pressure washers etc is that they are attended, in daylight, for 'short' periods. As well as some council jobsworth trying to make money from fines, I'd be worried about a drunk or visually impaired person taking a tumble. Not only might you face prosecution, there's likely to be damage to the cable and/or charging port. There's also the risk of drunks engaging in tomfoolery. Doubt you'd sleep soundly.

We can all express opinions all we like; that won't help you in the dock! I'd be inclined to research the legalities or contact the Council. Although it's highly likely they'll say no, just because it's easier and safer for them.

Don't expect there to be some major movement to facilitate EV charging for non-drive owners, even in the next 5 years...unless the Green party get into power. :rolleyes:
 

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Anything which requires you to take your cable out the boot and lay it into/through a channel every night (and then pull it out again and put it back in the boot in the morning) is going to be a PITA, both from the time taken, and because it will get wet and filthy. It's not going to work for mass adoption.

Anything which requires you to leave your cable, or attach to a socket, at ground level, is going to get damaged, wet and filthy. It's not going to work for mass adoption.

Anything with a small rise from the kerb, which would stop sockets from from getting too wet and filthy, would become a trip hazard and also get damaged by cars. It's not going to work for mass adoption.

Something on a post, high enough to be visible from a car, will still get reversed into occasionally, but less often. People will walk into them, but won't fall over. The sockets will be protected from the weather. I think that's what we will see at kerbsides :)
 

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Can you charge at work? I have been using a public charger that is 1 mile from work. It's free (at the moment) and I get regular exercise, which I am told is "good"!
 

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To all - thank you for your replies. I think people are making a lot of sense. There are a couple of chargers close-ish to work. Would require a diversion and kicking of heels for a half hour or so. Probably doable.

Do worry about the no win no fee brigade deliberately upending themselves.

If you use a public charger then walk to work presumably that means you leave the car there all day? Doesn't that block the space?

Also wondered about mounting the cable about 1st floor height then taking it across to the car and then supporting high up and then letting cable come down to the plug. Think something basket ball hoop stand, drive wheel over so it supported. Probably insane. Not to mention impractical. Like all of these ideas 99% fine but 1% potential disaster.

Hmmmm.
 

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If you use a public charger then walk to work presumably that means you leave the car there all day? Doesn't that block the space?.
An unpopular view, but yes. At a 21mph charge rate, it takes 8-10hours to recharge a nearly empty P85.

Luckily there are no time restrictions on the parking space, only a "must be charging" restriction. I make sure I get back to the car when charging completes (or near enough).

In your case you would probably need to pop back at lunchtime, or ask your employer if they would be kind enough to install a point for you (many will, and from next year, rumour has it that OLEV will include offices in their grant scheme).
 

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Personally I hate the idea of suspending cables across the pavement high up. I realise that it is probably more safe as the cable is high and out of harms way but it looks awful and makes you open to criticism as it is very visible. It is also very exposed and open to tampering and unless done very securly it is also vulnerable to weather, wind etc.

I wouldn't recommend it.

On-street charging is a real pain at the moment until there are proper solutions in place but I would suggest that we all refrain from jury-rigging in this way. It makes us look very DIY and will disuade others IMO.
 
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