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Hi all fellow North Yorkshire owners, or those who travel to our fair county.

We are all well aware of the severe lack of charging infrastructure in our vast county and other than York and possibly Harrogate, it appears there is little appetite for things to change either. I'm sure I recall some of you coming up against a brick wall when contacting Scarborough District Council about the matter.

I have recently contacted Harrogate District Council who now have a new bod in charge of transport and they appear quite receptive, so fingers crossed.

Many of the councils say they've not invested as there's no demand, though how they know that is questionable, so today I've emailed them all, including many of the main town councils too. Hopefully it may encourage them to look into the matter and you never know (y)

I'm telling you guys and guyettes in the hope that you too may contact the various councils and if enough of us do this, it may finally get through to them that there is indeed demand. It's literally as easy as googling the town council web address and obtaining their email address from there. Well, apart from Scarborough Council who must be the most difficult to get hold of ever.

If we as residents don't chase them, kick 'em up the a**e, or otherwise spoon feed them, nothing will change, so please get involved.

Your counties air quality depends on you! :D
 

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I posted this in another thread but think it's worth putting in here as well to show what we are up against and an email for Scarborough council to contact

[email protected]. Highways Team
[email protected] P&R team

Hi Richard,


I have responsibility for bus services in the county but recently dealt with a query over a request for EV points at the Council’s park and ride sites. It may be that person who has given you my details but as I explained to them unfortunately I don’t have any influence over the introduction of EV points in North Yorkshire.


My highways colleagues who were responsible for the design and build of both the Scarborough and Whitby P&R sites did consider the possibility of such a facility at the Whitby site but there was and continues to be insufficient demand to justify the County Council installing EV points at the P&R sites.

As the local highway authority we have also considered the provision of electric car charging on our highway network. There are various legislative and operational difficulties with providing electric car charging points on the highway, coupled with significant costs involved in the installation and running of such facilities. At present there is insufficient demand to justify the County Council installing such on Highway charging points.

I am aware that the County Council has previously applied, unsuccessfully, to the government for grant funding for electric car charging in North Yorkshire. Funding has tended to be awarded to more densely populated urban areas (such as Newcastle and Leeds) where demand is greater. I have copied my colleague in the Highways Team into this e-mail so that he is aware of your interest in EV facilities in North Yorkshire and I hope this clarifies the Council’s current position for you.


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Catherine
 

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What about trying everyone BUT Scarborough? Filey? Brid? Further north or south of Scarborough? Ryedale and Hambleton might be receptive too. Scarborough are a lost cause I fear.

The part of their letter that reads "...Whitby P&R sites did consider the possibility of such a facility at the Whitby site but there was and continues to be insufficient demand to justify the County Council installing EV points at the P&R sites." just sums it up.

How do they know this with such conviction? Where are they getting their figures from? How come virtually all other councils are finding the opposite? How come the rapid charger at Wetherby pretty much always has a queue? Have they seen the massive increase in sales of BEVs and PHEVs?

I think leave Scarborough out of it and try all the other district councils instead. The very fact that theirs was the most impossible website to contact says a lot about them. Alternatively, maybe we should all 'hit' Scarborough with requests to show that there IS demand out there?

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What about trying everyone BUT Scarborough? Filey? Brid? Further north or south of Scarborough? Ryedale and Hambleton might be receptive too. Scarborough are a lost cause I fear.

The part of their letter that reads "...Whitby P&R sites did consider the possibility of such a facility at the Whitby site but there was and continues to be insufficient demand to justify the County Council installing EV points at the P&R sites." just sums it up.

How do they know this with such conviction? Where are they getting their figures from? How come virtually all other councils are finding the opposite? How come the rapid charger at Wetherby pretty much always has a queue? Have they seen the massive increase in sales of BEVs and PHEVs?

I think leave Scarborough out of it and try all the other district councils instead. The very fact that theirs was the most impossible website to contact says a lot about them. Alternatively, maybe we should all 'hit' Scarborough with requests to show that there IS demand out there?

Who's in?
Scarborough council covers Whitby to Bridlington, if lots of people nag them and give them the true facts about EV demand in their area we might get somewhere
 

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I always find it strange that Scarborough Council was ever in charge of other competing resorts like Whitby or Brid. Surely there's a temptation to deliberately scupper your investment in the town up the road that could potentially take business away from your own hotel, amusements, fish n chip shop etc.
 

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I posted this in another thread but think it's worth putting in here as well to show what we are up against and an email for Scarborough council to contact

[email protected]. Highways Team
[email protected] P&R team
I was probably the person mentioned in the letter as I had raised the possibility of EV charging at the park and ride sites in Whitby and Scarborough a few weeks back with North Yorkshire council after getting nowhere with Scarborough council or the bus company that runs the sites. I received an e-mail back from Andrew that was very similar to the letter attached here. Mine had a paragraph stating that they would be happy to have private funding and would happily allocate the required parking spaces if this was the case. I have also come across this elsewhere on my quest to get more charging points installed in the Yorkshire area. There doesn't seem to be money in the budget or any demand. Unfortunately as an area we are getting left behind - I have raised this issue with my local MP as well who has written to my local council but again we received a less than positive reply. Frustrating...:mad:
 
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Hi all fellow North Yorkshire owners, or those who travel to our fair county.

We are all well aware of the severe lack of charging infrastructure in our vast county and other than York and possibly Harrogate, it appears there is little appetite for things to change either. I'm sure I recall some of you coming up against a brick wall when contacting Scarborough District Council about the matter.

I have recently contacted Harrogate District Council who now have a new bod in charge of transport and they appear quite receptive, so fingers crossed.

Many of the councils say they've not invested as there's no demand, though how they know that is questionable, so today I've emailed them all, including many of the main town councils too. Hopefully it may encourage them to look into the matter and you never know (y)

I'm telling you guys and guyettes in the hope that you too may contact the various councils and if enough of us do this, it may finally get through to them that there is indeed demand. It's literally as easy as googling the town council web address and obtaining their email address from there. Well, apart from Scarborough Council who must be the most difficult to get hold of ever.

If we as residents don't chase them, kick 'em up the a**e, or otherwise spoon feed them, nothing will change, so please get involved.

Your counties air quality depends on you! :D
@MoonCat If you could private message me the e-mail addresses gleaned I will happily also send them an e-mail from my work e-mail address (I work for Nissan) so that might generate a bit more attention....?
 

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I have raised this issue with my local MP as well who has written to my local council but again we received a less than positive reply. Frustrating...:mad:
Are they Conservative? If so, get them to get in touch with Andrew Jones MP as he's the MP for Harrogate and also in the transport department for the Government. He is genuinely positive about EVs, and could suggest avenues that Scarborough could access grants - which surprisingly, are still available.

I'll collate the email addresses, though to be honest they were just the standard [email protected] or [email protected] addresses. Historically they usually find their way.
 

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Local MP is a conservative and drives a hybrid - Prius. I offered him a demo Leaf for a week but he quite wittily replied that if he was out visiting his constituents in the area where would he charge? ;) Will speak to him about Andrew Jones and see where that gets us.
 

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Bridlington Council have come back to confirm that they have two charge points in their town in the Palace Car Park, a rather grand sounding place, though Street View indicates otherwise :unsure:

In typical council fashion you still have to pay the £1 an hour charge with a maximum stay of 4 hours. I guess they feel that's more than enough time to visit Bridlington before you'll be wanting to be on your way.

Surprisingly these points were last used a month ago according to the Pod Point map.

No wonder with that sort of placement and lack of use Whitby suggest there is no demand for charge points. Of course there isn't if you don't put them in a place where they're going to be of use!?!. o_O
 

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I understand that the lack of use of the facility in Bridlington has been instrumental in drawing Scarborough Councils opinion on electric car charging.

In contrast, York have planned theirs quite well, and once they iron out some of their teething troubles such as buses only on the rapids at Poppleton Bar, it should be great. I understand that they are very pleased with demand/usage and looking to expand their network further.

Amazing the contrast between a flop and a success and how absolutely critical it is to get it right from the off.
 

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I understand that the lack of use of the facility in Bridlington has been instrumental in drawing Scarborough Councils opinion on electric car charging.

In contrast, York have planned theirs quite well, and once they iron out some of their teething troubles such as with Poppleton Bar, it should be great. I understand that they are very pleased with demand/usage and looking to expand their network further.

Amazing the contrast between a flop and a success.
I couldn't use it as there is no way I'd make it, and after my trip to York there's no way I would rely on the availability of one charge point / provider (could be faulty or in use )
 

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Exactly. I didn't even attempt to discuss the aspect of people not even having enough range to get to the coast in the first place. And you're right, with just 2 spaces in a ropey looking car park, you just know they'd be ICEd on a busy Bank Holiday.

Then you're stuck in Brid FOREVER! :eek:
 

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Selby District Council: Not today thank you very much - or something like that. They have no plans to install any charge points in the forseeable, but will be watching Harrogate & York's experience. Hmmmm.

"Selby Council - Moving forward with purpose" is their motto. I'm not so sure it applies.

Surprisingly Selby District Council is relatively large for a small town and includes Tadcaster within it's boundaries.
 

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Had a negative response from North Yorkshire County Council - again. They just absolutely don't want to discuss the matter. They've made their decision and that's it, end of.

I've tried one last time copying the MP in to see if he can pull a few strings.

NYCC's downright and total rejection of the matter just makes them look backward. They're the only county in the UK that hasn't got a strategy and just won't discuss it. I'll have to find out who the person in charge of this decision is. I wonder if he runs a petrol station or oil suppliers perhaps, or has some other conflict of interest to ensure EVs just do not get off the ground in this area.

Anyone know how to investigate such things?
 
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