Older E-Up

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luna_s

Discussion Starter · Dec 9, 2020

I've been offered an older model e-up for not a bad price and I'm trying to decide if it's worth going for or waiting to see if I can get the newer one with more range
Is the older 90 mile range easy to live with ? I'd expect that to drop significantly over winter. I only have a short commute but I'm not entirely sure I can live with < 100 mile range but the price seems reasonable enough

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· #2 · Dec 9, 2020

luna_s said:
I've been offered an older model e-up for not a bad price and I'm trying to decide if it's worth going for or waiting to see if I can get the newer one with more range
Is the older 90 mile range easy to live with ? I'd expect that to drop significantly over winter. I only have a short commute but I'm not entirely sure I can live with < 100 mile range but the price seems reasonable enough

That’s a question only you can decide really, based on your regular journeys alongside any one off trips you make.

If you never travel more than 30 miles from home, it might be ideal, but it could be quite tiresome if you regularly do longer away from home out of range trips.

Not sure if the early e-Ups have rapid CCS charging as standard, but if so that will make it easier to live with on those longer trips.

EricM

· #3 · Dec 9, 2020

I used to own an e-Up! Mine was first registered in March 2015.

We intended it only as a 'shopping trolley' but soon found that for most of the time we didn't go further in a day than its fully charged battery could cope with. Like many other EVs, the predicted range indication truly lives up to its nickname on this site : the 'guessometer' ! Fully charged it would always claim 90 miles but that would steadily drop during the day. We never actually ran out but I guess true range was more like 60 miles.

It did have a CCS charge port but that could be a bit temperamental ! In particular when I drove it home (200 miles) on day 1 it failed to connect to first few EH 'pumps' so I had to spend a couple of hours on a 'fast' charge lead at each one then limp to next and eventually stop overnight at my sisters where I used granny lead. Luckily, it connected OK to two more EH 'pumps' next day.

We upgraded to a Leaf after a couple of years so that we could become EV only. Would have bought an e-Golf but VW salesman didn't want to sell one (and in any case they were on a long delivery time).

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luna_s

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 9, 2020

Thanks all,

I may be best waiting till next year then, maybe see when or if the ID1 \ 2 are announced or just save more to get an ID3. I think I would prefer a car that's been built from the ground up as an EV vehicle instead of a conversion. The UP interested me as that's the car I currently drive (and enjoy) and costs me next to nothing to run.

I think I would have too much range anxiety with the smaller battery (I get range anxiety as it is with petrol vehicles!)

I'm just itching to get into the world of EV's but there's nothing that's standing out to me at the moment

Tandy0

· #5 · Dec 9, 2020

I bought a Fluence last year. (I bet you have to google it.) It only has type 1, 3.6kw charging, but it is getting more & more useful as more charge points are installed. Unless you go somewhere, then turn round immediately and go home, it's fine.

Could you maybe keep both cars for a while, to see if you still need the petrol one?

luna_s

Discussion Starter · #6 · Dec 9, 2020

That's one possibility , I don't want to get a car with limited range just in case my circumstances change

Dave Knows Best

· #7 · Dec 10, 2020

We have a first generation e-Up (pre-face lift.) Great little car, as the second poster suggested if you never drive more than 30-40 miles then you'll be fine. CCS was standard fit and has never failed on us having used a variety of charge points.

Admittedly use it mostly for short journeys of no more than 20-30 miles and usually charge at destination where possible.

Unless you want to wait for the ID1 then I'd make the jump, it's a great car. Oh and it was designed from the ground up to be an EV, even back in 2008-2009!

EricM

· #8 · Dec 10, 2020

Dave Knows Best said:
Oh and it was designed from the ground up to be an EV, even back in 2008-2009!

Not entirely sure that's true ? Parked alongside its ICE brother, an e-UP! looks identical (even the exhaust pipe of the 'ordinary' one is very discrete). The UP was really only a facelift of the Fox (and ISTR with another name in between)

luna_s

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 11, 2020

I really like UPs, the whole family has one so there's 3 in the household - I downgraded from an Abarth to a 90ps up and never regretted it. Now I want an EV of similar size hence me looking at the EV ups.
I don't understand why most EV's are crossovers or similar - I really have no need for anything large.

luna_s

Discussion Starter · #10 · Feb 15, 2021

Well, at the end of the day I managed to find a brand new e-up at a good price - getting it at the end of March. I can't wait although I'm over thinking the charging situation at home which I'm sure will be fine. Now I just need to convice work to get some EV points installed

WonkoTheSaneUK

· #11 · Feb 15, 2021

luna_s said:
Now I just need to convice work to get some EV points installed

If there's an outdoor 13A socket they'll let you use all day, you can pull around 16kW with a granny cable in an 8-hour shift.
That's around a 50% charge for the e-Up!

@EricM - You may be thinking of the VW Lupo?

luna_s

Discussion Starter · #12 · Feb 15, 2021

WonkoTheSaneUK said:
If there's an outdoor 13A socket they'll let you use all day, you can pull around 16kW with a granny cable in an 8-hour shift.
That's around a 50% charge for the e-Up!

That's the plan, I've asked the site manager too to see if there was any plans to add charging points to the site - they were looking at it before Christmas apparently

8 hours charge should last me a week

WonkoTheSaneUK

· #13 · Feb 15, 2021

luna_s said:
That's the plan, I've asked the site manager too to see if there was any plans to add charging points to the site - they were looking at it before Christmas apparently

8 hours charge should last me a week

My employer was talking about multiple chargepoints being installed (we already have 5 EVs in the workforce), but that was in the before times (pre-COVID).

EricM

· #14 · Feb 15, 2021

WonkoTheSaneUK said:
If there's an outdoor 13A socket they'll let you use all day, you can pull around 16kW with a granny cable in an 8-hour shift.
That's around a 50% charge for the e-Up!

@EricM - You may be thinking of the VW Lupo?

Indeed yes, in europe the Lupo ('wolf' as in Wolfsburg) was replaced by the Fox in 2005 then the Up! in 2011. The e-Up! (allegedly) arrived in UK from early 2014 although I don't think I ever saw an older one than my March 2015 model.

BTW a 'standard' granny cable will supply 10A (or approx 2.3 kW) so an 8hr shift would give 18.4kWh (100% capacity for older models, 50% for later).

But you can get 13A grannies which will supply 13A or 3kW hence 24kWh in 8 hours

luna_s

Discussion Starter · #15 · Feb 16, 2021

Hoem charging will probably work out fine for me, the commute is 6 miles each way and the car I have now never does any long journeys
So an hours charge a night if I wanted would be more than enough, a full charge would probably last 2 weeks....

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