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Hi All,

As you probably aware the requirements for the OLEV EV Home-charge Scheme are changing from the 1st of July. In response to this, and feedback from our existing clients, we have completed our due diligence and have an exciting new product for which we are now taking orders!

The Phoenix Works are pleased to be partnering with innovative UK manufacturer EO Charging. Here's our test unit:

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Assuming our standard installation criteria we are offering the 7kW version for £199+VAT (plus the OLEV grant).

Highlights:
  • UK Manufacturer
  • 7kW - Socket/Type-1 Tethered/Type-2 Tethered options
  • Sealed unit
  • Quality components
  • Robust, aesthetically pleasing, compact enclosure
  • Usual high-level customer support from The Phoenix Works (y)
Our installation criteria remains unchanged and assumes/includes:
  • Spare high-integrity way in existing fuse box/distribution board
  • Consumer unit located on external wall
  • Existing electrical installation in good order
  • Earthing and bonding in accordance with wiring regulations requirements
  • Maximum cable run of up to 15m
  • Cable to be clipped directly to external wall
  • Sufficient supply capacity available
Deviations from the standard criteria (requirement of sub-board or additional/complex cable run being most common) will receive a separate itemised quotation.

Our usual high-level customer support is all part of the service and includes:
  • Friendly, knowledgeable customer support line
  • Simple (as it can be :unsure:) online OLEV application form
  • Comprehensive maximum demand monitoring (supply suitability testing)
  • DNO/supplier liaison where required (supply fuse upgrades etc.)
  • Honest down to earth advice and explanations
  • Dedicated account manager
  • New VIP application service (this is separately chargeable)
Given the competitive price point we are expecting high demand; please contact our office or fill in the website application form to start your application for prompt installation.

We will continue to offer the well received, high-quality ABL product too.
 

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Is it available without OLEV?

I have a good install location but no drive, so don't qualify for OLEV. Would also need around 45 m cable to go from front of house to back and around the (small) garden.
Is this something you do?


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Is it available without OLEV?

I have a good install location but no drive, so don't qualify for OLEV. Would also need around 45 m cable to go from front of house to back and around the (small) garden.
Is this something you do?


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Sure! Send a web enquiry through and we'll prepare a quotation (y)
 

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@Thomas_Newby , we're not all aware, please tell what has changed?
The data feed requirements are no longer a prerequisite, so don't need to wifi and metre up the chargepoint?
So a lot less for you to do...
Also OE are not on the latest approved model list?

Anything else?
 

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There is a revision to the requirements of the scheme. It's still under consultation, so it wouldn't be fair for me to comment until it's published. Once it is I will, as ever.

The hardware costs are for us are lower, plus we are working directly with the manufacturer so there's a distribution margin saving which we are able to pass on to customers.

Suffice to say we have been looking into the EO product for sometime and are now pleased to be in a position to work with and support them.

The EO product is OLEV accredited and we are accredited by EO to install it (I have attached documents confirming this).
 

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This is about the same size and shape as the Rolec unit, and seems similar in spec with the exception of the ability to have switching and other DIN-rail items accessible at the unit (which the Rolec has). I would be interested in hearing how @Thomas_Newby thinks the two units compare.
 

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And made in UK as well... which may or may not be a lot more relevant after tomorrow ;)

The units look good, have RS485 interface it looks like to talk to the monitoring meter etc, some sort of customer portal - to be honest though as long as it charges the leaf I am happy!
 

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@Thomas_Newby, I've sent an email enquiry to [email protected] asking if they do a version with solar-friendly capabilities. I've asked for a rotary switch to let me select 32,16,10,6 amp guaranteed-min-current combined with a current-sensor clamped on the mains supply which would let the unit increase these g'teed mins upwards if excess power is available. I think the charger spec has 1A steps available, depending on some pulse-width ratio. Also there would be a Solar-Eco setting which charges at a min of 6A (suitable for my Ampera, maybe other cars would need different levels?) if power is available, but would shut-off completely when <6A excess power available.

We know this is do-able with the mainpine hardware, but we want a mfr to make this readily available off-the-shelf; as far as I know this has only been done by one-off guys - but I may be wrong.

If there's an RS485 interface, is there an API to talk to this unit, and does it allow current-control on-the-fly? If so then maybe I can knock-up an Arduino + current sensor myself. But I can't see any tech info on their site at all. Nothing under their "software" section that's relevant!
 

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If there's an RS485 interface, is there an API to talk to this unit, and does it allow current-control on-the-fly? If so then maybe I can knock-up an Arduino + current sensor myself. But I can't see any tech info on their site at all. Nothing under their "software" section that's relevant![/USER]
Wow, your jumping right to the end game there ;)

I am not sure the eOLEV EG010 version has free RS485 as the spec sheet implies its used for the Modem back to OLEV and the "EOcloud". Would be great to see products on the UK market doing this, I know some German EVSE points have integration with SMA inverters and power monitors, but you need their expensive (£200) ethernet wired monitor at point of main power supply to house to use those.

I think if you want to go full solar rate adaption then you need to look at the mainpine or OpenEVSE - which by the way now supports ESP8266 to control the charge rate, you can then integrate with something like http://openenergymonitor.org, have a look at this discussion: Diverting Solar to Charge an Electric Car
 

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Wow, your jumping right to the end game there ;)

I am not sure the eOLEV EG010 version has free RS485 as the spec sheet implies its used for the Modem back to OLEV and the "EOcloud". Would be great to see products on the UK market doing this, I know some German EVSE points have integration with SMA inverters and power monitors, but you need their expensive (£200) ethernet wired monitor at point of main power supply to house to use those.

I think if you want to go full solar rate adaption then you need to look at the mainpine or OpenEVSE - which by the way now supports ESP8266 to control the charge rate, you can then integrate with something like http://openenergymonitor.org, have a look at this discussion: Diverting Solar to Charge an Electric Car
The ABL does and I am still procrastinating about running that UTP cables to the serial port. I have everything else ready including the USB to RS485 adaptors (I have two, different types just in case - they were very cheap). The bit I am unsure of but can come later is if my car will support 1A increments or just the more recognised 6A/10A/13A/16A etc.
 

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This is about the same size and shape as the Rolec unit, and seems similar in spec with the exception of the ability to have switching and other DIN-rail items accessible at the unit (which the Rolec has). I would be interested in hearing how @Thomas_Newby thinks the two units compare.
We don't support the ROLEC product, but we do EO Charging. I think says it all... It's all to do with quality of components and manufacturer support.
 

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And made in UK as well... which may or may not be a lot more relevant after tomorrow ;)

The units look good, have RS485 interface it looks like to talk to the monitoring meter etc, some sort of customer portal - to be honest though as long as it charges the leaf I am happy!
At this price point the unit we are offering has the lowest functionality of EO's range. So bearing in mind it's sealed this is a simple plug and charge device.
 

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@Thomas_Newby, I've sent an email enquiry to [email protected] asking if they do a version with solar-friendly capabilities. I've asked for a rotary switch to let me select 32,16,10,6 amp guaranteed-min-current combined with a current-sensor clamped on the mains supply which would let the unit increase these g'teed mins upwards if excess power is available. I think the charger spec has 1A steps available, depending on some pulse-width ratio. Also there would be a Solar-Eco setting which charges at a min of 6A (suitable for my Ampera, maybe other cars would need different levels?) if power is available, but would shut-off completely when <6A excess power available.

We know this is do-able with the mainpine hardware, but we want a mfr to make this readily available off-the-shelf; as far as I know this has only been done by one-off guys - but I may be wrong.

If there's an RS485 interface, is there an API to talk to this unit, and does it allow current-control on-the-fly? If so then maybe I can knock-up an Arduino + current sensor myself. But I can't see any tech info on their site at all. Nothing under their "software" section that's relevant!
Hi Andy,

There isn't a version that can do this available at present, but we are acutely aware of feature set desired by our clients (a key one of which you have outlined above). Part of our motivation for partnering with a manufacturer at the highest level is such that we can feed back our experience into the product development team. Watch this space...;)
 

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The ABL does and I am still procrastinating about running that UTP cables to the serial port. I have everything else ready including the USB to RS485 adaptors (I have two, different types just in case - they were very cheap). The bit I am unsure of but can come later is if my car will support 1A increments or just the more recognised 6A/10A/13A/16A etc.
In my opinion this is probably the best way of achieving solar integration at present, though various manufacturers we have spoken to are working on this functionality. As soon as something off-the-shelf hits the market we'll appraise it and provide feedback.

In summary if you're looking to tinker then you're probably best with the ABL EVSE or Mainpine EPC based unit such as the Viridian product.
 

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So the first car maker that supports small increment steps in charging current demand via the in-car comms unit talking to the wall charger will have a unique selling point. The wall unit can be set to limit current offered to solar PV output or full mains power as required. Come on @NissanGB please make sure it is in the LEAF replacement.
 

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At this price point the unit we are offering has the lowest functionality of EO's range. So bearing in mind it's sealed this is a simple plug and charge device.
That's all I really need, I think more complex solutions are better with other options as noted above, have that planned for later with 2nd EV and 2nd charger ;)

Order just placed with the office, so be getting one soon (y)
 

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Ampera has no in-car comms unit. It just sucks amps at whatever rate the charger is prepared to give, usually 6/10/15A. I can see integration with in-car setup being nice-to-have, but tricky to implement, and non-portable. Just having a feedback input from a current-sensor would be a major step forwards. I have a couple of SCT-013 sensors to play with, £5 each from eBay china, how difficult can it be? But I'd rather have it all done for me off-the-shelf, instead of spending time tinkering with mainpines/ABLs/whatever.
 
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