Am I right in saying using OCM data would prevent charging for the app (or any commercial activity) in which case it's hard to justify the resources to make a good app for free?
It's easy to fork the database project and I'm not going to turn down an offer of help... I'll contact you off list and give you access to a server so that we can create a 'clean' databaseI am a qualified and experienced DBA (both Microsoft and Apache/Linux) and could easily undertake this work myself
It isn't the location that is copyright... it is the recording of the information. The recorded data has to have been recorded by someone. Therefore, someone must have done something to get out and record the position. If that was the network operator then if we use there recorded data then we must have there permission via a licence.Hmm. Ok. Well, if that's the case it seems like the most sensible option would be to wipe the lot and start again.[/quote}
Why do that? You have good and valid data. Hold on to it and let it continue to accumulate. If you need a server tohost it then you are welcome to use mine free of charge
Copyright is designed to protect the rights and interest of the 'owner'. I'm not sure how you can copyright the location of a publicly accessible object that the owner wants you to use. By holding that data and passing it to others you aren't acting against the owner?
No, because it is you that determined the position... not some charging network operator, Google, Yahoo or anyone elseIn fact, I know the exact location of CM unit 917. I know it's number (it's on the front). But if I tell you am I infringing copyright?
I actually agree with that!What you say *kind of* makes sense on one hand and makes no sense at all on another!
In the first place it would be you as you would be using copyright data without the copyright holder's permission. However, depending on how that data was aquired by OCM and how it was licensed to them then they could also be in breach.If I pull a pile of data from OCM and use it, it would be me breaking the copyright, not OCM?
Your mistake here is the one most people make when it comes to copyright...Also, if there were consequences, and an operator tried to prosecute, on what grounds would it be possible? Re-publicising already public data? Even if you attributed it to their data source?
That would make a lot of sense, it's always a grey area and there will always be concerns due to past behaviours of "open" systems that then shut-out or monetise user submitted data.
Much of the imported data is pretty poor and I think everyone knows that. There was some discussion with Chris that he wanted to introduce a "quality score"... a field in the database that was an indication of how much confidence we could have in the data. For example... imported data might start with a low score then as people amend and correct it so its score would improve. Apps could then just filter the data depending on the degree of "uncertainty" that they were prepared to take.I have problems with data quality in OCM, the imported data is often inaccurate and if you edit it to fix this the data reverts back to the original wrong values. This and the broken licensing means that it may be time to start a new truly open charger map.
This is simply a function of manpower... the more people we have involved in the project the more effort we can expend on QA and the better the dataI have problems with data quality in OCM, the imported data is often inaccurate and if you edit it to fix this the data reverts back to the original wrong values.