[scratchyman]

That’s not as easy a question to answer as it might appear, but honestly if you told me I had to keep just one, I’d be happy with either.

I know that might sound like I’m at risk of getting splinters on my derrière, but both have genuine pros and cons.

To the Tesla I’d give;

Software and App (although it’s not perfect) they seem to operate a roll out and ‘fix fast’ software model, the polar opposite of VW.

Performance (the M3 LR anyway, the GTX isn’t far behind an SR+ in the real world).

Efficiency, it is better than the GTX, but not a surprise given the shapes.

It’s still a car I drive just for the pleasure of driving, it does make me smile even though I don’t usually drive quickly.

To the ID.4 I’d give it;

Interior space and practicality, it’s noticeably more roomy, particularly head room, again not surprising given the shapes.

Ride and comfort, the Tesla is crashy and harsh in comparison, excellent on smooth tarmac though.

The main screen and steering wheel binnacle is much more readable for myself who needs reading glasses.

Build quality, living with both through the recent prolonged sub zero temps showed VW have put more thought into how a car works in such conditions. Nothing froze shut, including doors and charge flap. The cabin is also noticeable quieter and rattle free versus the Tesla.

We always thought that the SuC network would be a massive plus for the Tesla over the VW, but we just don’t seem to travel to places where they’re any more handy than other networks, but it is a seamless experience mostly.

As ever then, it’s swings and roundabouts, but we’re lucky to have both cars, and appreciate them both for what they can do.

Thanks for sharing that. The reason I brought it up is because I seem to be spending too much time at the VW dealers, having something updated or fixed, and had a thought about moving to Tesla. My main issue with the Tesla M3 is, as you said, the ride quality. We live out in the sticks with not very good road surfaces and I wonder if it would just wind me up. On the other hand the Tesla software seems to be on another level to the VW effort. There's no doubt though that VW know how to build the actual car properly.

 

[Philip Medlock]

I recently came across, via the ID Facebook group, a good explanation of this on the German meinid forum where they have one or two posters who post in a personal capacity but work for VW. A rough summary is...

Thanks, that explanation makes sense. It's nice to know how things work as it makes life easier when you're trying to work out why they've stopped

 

[sidehaas]

Thanks. The only change I can see on the IOS app is a lock symbol:
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Not sure I know what it does yet, but if it's supposed to show if the car is locked, it's wrong.

The iPhone version does seem to have more issues. In the android app the screen looks like this. The padlock symbol changes to open when the car is unlocked (after a few seconds). If any window, door or the boot is open, the view of the car changes to a grey scale overhead view with the open window/door/boot highlighted in red. Again after a few seconds.

The car's last parked location is shown in the map like in the picture below (I zoomed out so as not to giveaway my address but it's an accurate location).

I get the impression that most of not all of these issues that some people have with the app are down to its ability or otherwise to get up to date data from the car. Obviously these functions would struggle if communication is delayed. But most people I've seen reporting with 3.0 OTA are finding that they work well.

 

[Philip Medlock]

Thanks for sharing that. The reason I brought it up is because I seem to be spending too much time at the VW dealers, having something updated or fixed, and had a thought about moving to Tesla. My main issue with the Tesla M3 is, as you said, the ride quality. We live out in the sticks with not very good road surfaces and I wonder if it would just wind me up. On the other hand the Tesla software seems to be on another level to the VW effort. There's no doubt though that VW know how to build the actual car properly.

We have both as well, and i'd pretty much agree with Tooks. Although our newish SR+ is just as rattle free as the ID4 though.

I'd miss not having either as well. I prefer the ID4 for in the rain / snow and for getting around town, and the Tesla for longer and fun drives.

 

[Warrior]

From reading various posts here, I get the impression that a Tesla is a computer on wheels, whereas other EVs are vehicles with a computer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slating any vehicle and have no Tesla experience, just my own thoughts.

 

[sidehaas]

From reading various posts here, I get the impression that a Tesla is a computer on wheels, whereas other EVs are vehicles with a computer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not slating any vehicle and have no Tesla experience, just my own thoughts.

I quite like the idea of a used standard range model Y to replace my Octavia in a year or two if the prices are sensible, but if the ride is as bad as people make out my family would kill me. I heard rumours they were supposed to be improving it (think they came from a Musk tweet!) so interested to see what comes out. Although Musk himself also puts me off a lot.

Funny how we have got from the specific meaning of an option in a VW app to the pros and cons of Teslas.

 

[scratchyman]

“ Funny how we have got from the specific meaning of an option in a VW app to the pros and cons of Teslas.”
Not funny really. That was my fault. Apologies for highjacking the thread.

 

[Warrior]

Apologies from me too, for following up.