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would you consider this the EVO 16 or EVO 32 when looking to have a home charger installed

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  • No - deffinitely not

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  • Yes - when it gets grant approval

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Hi, my name is Chris, the owner of EV chargers direct ltd a new UK company

we have two new chargers coming to market in the next couple of months please see the photos attached of one installed at my house. just wanted some feedback on the unit if possible?.

its: mode 3, type 2 socket, built in type A RCD, 230v 1-phase 16 amp or 32 amp charge (3.6kw or 7kw), key lock, led display, lights around edge showing charge status too, wall mountable, metal back and sides and acrylic front. will be around the £350 + vat price. we have applied to get it approved from the 'office for low emission vehicles' (so will be able to use grant with it) but that is not confirmed yet I will update if and when we get approval.

please let me know what you all think of the look, price, features etc. our website is being built, www.evchargersdirect.co.uk

you can also email me for documents, more info etc at [email protected]

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I'm assuming the 16a & 32a externally look the same? Also, can you delay charging on the box to fit in with Off Peak schedules?
 

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I'm not keen on the emergency stop button and can the illumination be turned off, advertising charging would be something the vandals round here wouldn't be able to resist.

Otherwise looks a nice design.
 

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I really like the look of the unit, can you turn off the LED round the edge though? in some locations this might encourage ragamuffins to tamper or steal things?

Best of luck with this though it really looks great :):)(y)
 

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Hey

Find this funny - I was looking at chargers as I'm about to get an EV (only 2 other people have EVs on our estate) and thought that many of the charger designs are a bit rubbish so I was thinking about how I would change things.

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I cannot currently view the website. I'm getting a site not found notice.

I really like your attempt to try and make a better looking charger. It looks a compact design and I like glowing things in sleek cases so you seem on the right track for me at least. As well as the design the interesting thing for me would be how you're going to market it.

If I was designing a charger.....(and some of you should stop reading now)

EVs are going to soon be more widely adopted and (whisper it) a bit of a status symbol (trust me on this).

If it were me I would be designing the most middle class charger possible. Something that is easy to use, looks good and get's the neighbours talking (and then copying). EVs are also "the future" so should look like it (Hello i3). Lets face it - all a charger is actually is a glorified extension lead so why not make it a sexy extension lead? We grew up on Star Wars and Apple devices that look cool. Why can't chargers, something you will look at every day when you pull onto the drive, be cool as well?

To achieve this I would incorporate some features and ditch others of yours but keep the basic "phone" shape (you may wish to turn away now):

1) Take the plug in socket off the front - it spoils the lines of the panel. When the charge cable is in it will look worse AND what do you do with the cable once charged? People will leave it in. So why not stick in the side with an additional optional box (always up sell) that covers this and is provides a dummy faceplate matching the size of the main unit AND providing a reel system (auto reel as an upgrade) so that people can have a neat and tidy charging station (just like hozelock hoses really but for electricity).
2) With above you can create a optional claw hook that places the car end charger plug neatly next to it
3) As people generally want thing to be easy to use can't you have it auto start? (I don't know) If not could you remove the button bezel and make the button of the same plastic as the front? Perhaps even make a bigger button.
4) The front panel should be available in white and black. (I would have white as it matches the windows/soffits etc and looks more "apple" product like)
5) That logo is simply dreadful (sorry) and either needs moving to the side or preferably be re-designed
6) Replace the key with a RFID chip - Keys are old fashioned and a PITA. This would also get rid of the perspex cover flap which I think would get pretty cacked up (with a rusting screw to boot). Should be sleek.
7) Ditch the emergency stop button if you can
8) The "START" font is horrific and needs burning. Is "start" also a bit boring? Not sure if "Begin" would look better without it being too pretentious. haha.
9) Tone down the glow perhaps? You almost want a dull "pulse" than a full in your face bright glow that you could read a book by. Not sure tbh.

I got a free charger from Nissan (pod point) because none of the alternatives made me drool so personally if I was marketing something like this it should motivate me to pay more due to it either doing more and/or looking better than anything else I can buy on the market. A well designed premium product that sits squarely in the middle of the market price wise would sell like hot cakes to thousands of "anywhere UK" home owners (imo) because it appeals to peoples core instincts.

Anyway that is me. I wish you and your product all the very best.

EDIT: Credentials. Turned a boring service into something exciting and snazzy and cool and created a business from nothing to a very profitable business within 4 years. Sold it (in principle) 2 months after putting it on the market following multiple bids.
 

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Its a real pity that the term charger is being applied to the charge outlet. So many people just dont get that the actual charger is built into their car and the device on the wall is actually a slightly complex mains outlet.
Hence why some prople think that getting a 32a outlet will enable their 3.3kw car to charge twice as fast.
I recently had a customer who referred to his cable as the charger. Thats what someone called it so thats what he called it. So when he approached me with a problem with his charger, I of course assumed he meant the device that takes mains and actually converts it to DC to charge the battery pack. But no, he had a faulty cable, and a damaged inlet socket.
 

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Haven't ABL already achieved this?
Hadn't seen those and I guess they are a better (subjective) design and incorporate some of the features I mentioned but they aren't ideal in my mind. Thanks for bringing them to my attention though.
 

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Sorry but I think that's pretty hideous, and it appears to have done a remarkable job of pulling together all of the silly features that people think a charge point should have but don't actually need and fit them all (e.g. emergency stop, keylock etc).
 

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I agree about the emergency stop, but the Key Lock? Some will wish to protect their supply, so having this integrated (instead of a padlock) is reasonable - but only if the key isn't captive when 'on' for those who don't need it.
 

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I agree about the emergency stop, but the Key Lock? Some will wish to protect their supply, so having this integrated (instead of a padlock) is reasonable - but only if the key isn't captive when 'on' for those who don't need it.
Lots of people say they are concerned about someone abstracting their electricity and that they want an ability to deactivate the charge point.

But there are two responses to that
  1. By definition per wiring regs there must be an MCB somewhere that they can flip in order to do this if they really want to; and
  2. More importantly I defy anyone to name a single occasion where this has ever happened for a private residential dwelling. If someone parked on your drive and plugged into your charge point you'd be way more angry about the trespass than the £1 of electricity they'd get.
Also continuing the list of pointless features, what the heck is a "start" button? How does that interact with scheduled charging? Do you have to press it when you plug the car in, even though charging won't actually be happening until 8 hours later.

I'm sorry but the whole thing seems to have been designed by a committee of people who have no experience of actually charging an EV, and the build quality looks amateur. Seriously - little bits of cut acrylic that you slide to the side to access the stop button and key lock, held in place just by a plain old bolt and split washer? What is the IP protection rating when those aren't in the closed position? Jeez.

Sorry @EV Chargers Direct I am not trying to be mean; I just don't think you have a viable business selling this product at £350 + VAT per unit.

Go buy an ABL charge point and a Tesla Wall Connector and look at them both really carefully. That's where you need to be aiming at and this product is way off as it stands. The Tesla unit with a tethered 7m cable is only £13 more than your price.

For me the one thing I'd want to change on both of those products (the ABL and the Wall Connector) is to have a dip switch inside that turns off all the lights (except for error states). The 13A socket on the front of my house doesn't have lights on it; why should the EV chargepoint have them?
 

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Sorry @EV Chargers Direct I am not trying to be mean; I just don't think you have a viable business selling this product at £350 + VAT per unit.
This is the un-subsidised price. The ABL chargers seem to be about twice this for the basic hardware (though not easy to find un-subsidised UK price). However, the Rolec 32A type-2 un-tethered version is available for about £275 + VAT.
 

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Are they actually going to revisit this forum after the initial advert?
 

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It would be nice if they responded, I agree.

Yes, you can trip one of multiple breakers that might isolate the unit, but if you believe this is only wanted to prevent unauthorised use, think again. If the socket for whatever reason happens to be 'live' my grandchildren may be at risk by 'playing' with the unit that had pretty lights. If the cable is connected to the box, the other end will be live and could pose a risk. Far better to use key security than to hunt for the MCBin the bottom of the meter cupboard.

As Matt notes, the untethered Rolec is one of the cheapest available and whilst it doesn't have a fancy LCD screen, still does what the EV owner needs it to do!
 

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Hi, the unit is ip54 rated with the side covers open.

The unit is £350 + vat without grant subsidy

There is going to be a switch on the bottom to turn the lights on or off

No committee involved just me and appreciate feedback good and bad we will use it to make appropriate changes

Thanks
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Ps. With regards to rolec we're not trying to reinvent the wheel just offering another option at what I think is a reasonable price, I'm going to make improvements to it though as we go,

Thanks, Chris
 

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Just out of interest who did you pass this by in development? What are your small business credentials? Do you have a sales and marketing lead?

Not having a go but I have seen many invention led businesses like yours appears to be and they all suffer from the same common issues. Sure the community will try and assist - and you can contact me by PM directly if you wish.

Wish you all the best.

BTW - your site is still down.
 

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... If the socket for whatever reason happens to be 'live' my grandchildren may be at risk by 'playing' with the unit that had pretty lights. If the cable is connected to the box, the other end will be live and could pose a risk...
If the cable is connected to the box, the other end will be live if and only if the car has communicated with the box i.e. it is plugged in.
 

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Great to see you are providing another choice in the market. The design is more attractive than some and I am sure there are people who will want those features.

Personally, I prefer tethered chargers and have no need for the key, display, emergency button, etc. I also want a unit to start charging when plugged in to the car - I see no point in a start button. I also suspect that wouldn't work with my supply-side home automation switch.
 
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