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I've just picked up my new Vivaro e. I spent most of the morning transferring a literal tonne of tools and equipment from my old diesel Vivaro (actually a rebadged Renault Trafic).

This afternoon, I drove it for the first time, and did 31 miles and one single job. The only EV I've driven regularly before this was my friend's MG5, which has auto hold. The Vivaro creeps forward, like a traditional automatic. I don't like sitting at the lights with my foot on the brake, blinding those behind me and tiring my leg. In a manual I'd change to neutral, put the handbrake on, and have a rest.

What should I do? Put it in Park? Leave it in Drive and just put the parking brake on? Change to Neutral?

Leaving it in Drive and using the parking brake seems fine, but I don't know what I don't know.
 

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I wonder why Stellantis have done that? Would be interesting to see of the motor remains energised at a stop in these cases. If it’s smart enough to de-energise it at a stop with the brake on will it do the same with the parking brake.
The power needle stays at zero, so it doesn't seem to be trying to creep. The parking brake is quite clever - when I finish the journey I don't have to do anything but turn the key, it automatically puts it into Park and puts the parking brake on.

I think they did it to make it easier for those used to fossil vehicles to get used to it. There's virtually no visual difference, inside or out, between the fossil and electric versions. It's not a weird special electric vehicle like a BMW i3, it's just a normal vehicle that happens to have a different power source. It drives just like a posh fossil automatic, quiet and smooth (I rented a Mercedes Vito minibus with an auto box, I could hear the gear changes but not feel them).
 

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Except none of the stellantis vehicles appear to have autohold. Irritating.
The handbrake can be engaged but if you put it on manually it has a bit of a hissy if you then try to drive off.

Gaz
It take as long to come off as it does to come on - nearly a full second, which doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to start rolling if you take your foot off the brake when you press the button!

I'm used to manual handbrakes, that old Vivaro had more in common with a steam train - you had to move the levers with a lot of strength, and finesse and mechanical sympathy, and you could feel all the linkages. It was hard work to drive, but satisfying. This new one is very easy to drive, I could do it in my sleep!
 

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Is the Corsa still arriving at any time soon?
At least you'll have familiarity with that from driving the van.

Gaz
No idea if it will even arrive this year. It was supposed to be 12-16 weeks when I ordered a month ago, but stuff happened, and new orders are now 40 weeks. Mine still doesn't have a build date. It's a good thing I don't need a car to get to work, I park my van at home. Only a couple more weeks until my Zappi is installed, until then I'll have to rely on public charging. At this rate I'll only need to charge once or twice a week.
 

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worst thing I ever did was put it in park, when in traffic you tend to completely forget how the bloody thing works.

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Gaz
The first time I drove an auto, the hire car company didn't give me the category B, Fiesta or similar, I'd requested, they gave me a class A. Mercedes A Class! I put the handbrake on and the shifter into either N or P, I forget which. Revving the engine when the lights turned green I couldn't understand why it wouldn't go into drive. There was a fair queue by the time I'd figured out I needed to press the brake!

I think I'm going to leave it in D and just use the parking brake, that's simple to do, and to go again I just need to press the accelerator. I wonder if that would have worked with that petrol Mercedes?
 

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Exactly!! I was told on my driving lessons "if you're gonna be stopped for a few seconds or more, use the handbrake" and in every other car I've had I've always done it second nature for the sake of people behind me.
My driving instructor didn't mention it, but the first time I was sat behind someone with their brake lights blinding me, I made sure never to do that myself. It's as bad as leaving full beam headlights on!

Have you tried leaving it in drive and just putting the handbrake on? I've seen another thread from a couple of years ago asking the same question, this time in a Corsa, and the conclusion was the same. Perhaps it's just a Stellantis thing, but it's got to be worth trying.

 

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My eyes are probably more sensitive than most due to vision correction. I used to wear glasses, and glaring lights were worse, especially if the lenses weren't perfectly clean. I work outside, so of course they aren't. After one particularly rainy day, when I seriously considered windscreen wipers for my specs, I decided to get laser surgery. I was warned I'd have trouble driving at night, but it's no problem if people are behaving with consideration, and only using bright lights when necessary.

The safety point is fair, but it could be solved very easily if daytime running lights were logical. What idiot thought it made sense to light the front but not the back?
 
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