[GenerationGav]

I've ordered an ID.4 Style pro. Due to do a few reasons only just ordered. However I'm already feeling performance anxiety and wondering if I should have ordered the pro performance. Half of the problem is I've only been able to test drive the performance model so it's hard to tell if I'd be happy with just Pro.
Has anybody driven/owned both and can give a comparison?
I've currently got an Audi A4 2.0litre petrol and that's got more than enough power for what I need. I'm struggling to be able to compare the power to the EV equivalents. It's very very much a family car, 80% of my driving will have 4 of us in it, so I'm not going to be racing around but I consider myself a confident and relatively quick driver.

 

[raspy]

@GenerationGav I can't comment about the ID4, but I can say that I find that many less powerful EVs (which have slow-ish 0-60 times on paper) are far quicker in the real world than more powerful ICE cars with quicker 0-60 times

I used to have a very powerful petrol turbo with 275bhp that could do 0-60 in under 6 seconds, and yet I've been driving two low power EVs this summer (one with 0-60 in 9.9 seconds and the other with 0-60 in 8.7 seconds) and both felt quicker in the real world than my old (quicker on paper) petrol turbo, both from 0mph, but even when needing to suddenly overtake or speed up when already moving.

In fact, even the EV did that 0-60 in almost 10 seconds would be a hoot to drive, simply because of the instant torque.

Your old Audi petrol would only be massively quicker than an EV once you are driving it at illegal speeds beyond our 70mph speed limit.

 

[Paul-H]

The difference between the id3 performance and non performance was pretty negligible 0-30 or 40 ish. It’s only motorway slip roads and overtakes where you will really notice the difference. I’d expect the id4 to be similar.

 

[GenerationGav]

Thanks all, so just comparing my existing car to my new ordered car.

ID4
Power (bhp) 171 bhp
0-60mph 10.1 sec

A4
Power (bhp) 147 bhp
Acceleration 0-60 mph 8.6 secs

So the ID.4 has considerably more BHP but slower 0-60 which doesn't make much sense. In reality I suspect I could beat myself to 60 in the ID.4 than the manual A4 as I'm not a slow driver but I don't use any special techniques so my gear changes/clutch work would probably cost me more!

I also won't be driving too much more than the UK limit. A bit extra on slip roads never goes amiss but I'm don't need more than I've currently got.

 

[6652]

Thanks all, so just comparing my existing car to my new ordered car.

ID4
Power (bhp) 171 bhp
0-60mph 10.1 sec

A4
Power (bhp) 147 bhp
Acceleration 0-60 mph 8.6 secs

So the ID.4 has considerably more BHP but slower 0-60 which doesn't make much sense. In reality I suspect I could beat myself to 60 in the ID.4 than the manual A4 as I'm not a slow driver but I don't use any special techniques so my gear changes/clutch work would probably cost me more!

I also won't be driving too much more than the UK limit. A bit extra on slip roads never goes amiss but I'm don't need more than I've currently got.

You need to factor in the weight of the two vehicles as well, but I’m pretty confident you’ll be able to knock a bit of the official 0-60 ID.4 time, all my VW EVs have been about a second quicker than the official numbers.

Once moving, the superior torque of the EV will make it feel quick enough for a family car I’m sure. 👍

 

[Philip Medlock]

Our Pure 52 is even slower at 10.9 and to be honest it's fine. You end up using all of the acceleration quite often, but it's not like it makes more noise and ruins refinement like a petrol car.

 

[LS99]

(I know it's not comparing - "like with like", and the car you've got on order - this is very subjective !). I've driven a handful of EV's and alot of ICE car's in my-time. The main difference you'll notice with performance is that pretty much any EV with a decent size motor, will be "Very Fast at initially pulling-away from a standing start" and at a speed of 0-30/40mph will pretty much beat most ICE car's (my ID4 1st Edition does, without any effort, and I certainly don't drive like a "boy racer" lol). It's the next 20mph that it then lag's a little, the weight of the car - coming into play - which is where you see the 0-60 figures being slower if you're trying to compare.

 

[DomJ]

When does anyone ever do 0-60 as fast as their car permits on the road? In a petrol/diesel that generally involves revving it quite hard through multiple gears all of which is a bit embarrassing on a public road if you ask me. Most people are unlikely to do their cars claimed 0-60. In an EV however you can floor it away from the lights, there's no drama, no sound, no gear changes to interrupt progress. Nobody else would even know you're foot to the floor and in turn generally its much easier to do a real 0-60 in an EV.
The real worthy comparisons come in with overtaking speed differences, whether your old petrol is able to do a 40-60 pass quicker than an EV will depend on what gear you're in etc, at least in an EV the power available is always the same.

 

[Philip Medlock]

Since writing on this thread i went in and tweaked the settings in "individual" mode on the ID4 and it's made the performance even more acceptable.

When I changed everything that had a sport option to sport (apart from the ACC) it's made the car feel more nippy which is nice. Also i noticed that after doing this with my foot flat to the floor, but not with kickdown, it allows the power bar to go to maximum, whereas in the eco and standard modes it'd stop just short.

 

[raspy]

When does anyone ever do 0-60 as fast as their car permits on the road? In a petrol/diesel that generally involves revving it quite hard through multiple gears all of which is a bit embarrassing on a public road if you ask me. Most people are unlikely to do their cars claimed 0-60. In an EV however you can floor it away from the lights, there's no drama, no sound, no gear changes to interrupt progress. Nobody else would even know you're foot to the floor and in turn generally its much easier to do a real 0-60 in an EV.
The real worthy comparisons come in with overtaking speed differences, whether your old petrol is able to do a 40-60 pass quicker than an EV will depend on what gear you're in etc, at least in an EV the power available is always the same.

@DomJ Yes, EV torque is available instantly. One of the challenges is that not every FWD EV actually manages to put that torque down easily or smoothly, even once you are off the line. Some of ones I've driven are abysmal in terms of torque steer. I can see why some decide to go for a AWD or RWD EV.

 

[JLo1]

Has anybody driven/owned both and can give a comparison?

I have driven both and I am not sure I noticed that much difference. I believe that if you are not happy with Pro once it arrives then the Pro Performance would not be enough for you either. Neither of them is rocket ship.

 

[fridgeman]

Our Pure 52 is even slower at 10.9 and to be honest it's fine. You end up using all of the acceleration quite often, but it's not like it makes more noise and ruins refinement like a petrol car.

VW must have messed mine up, ive got the 52 Pure and during the summer managed a 0-60 in around 9 seconds

 

[JLo1]

VW must have messed mine up, ive got the 52 Pure and during the summer managed a 0-60 in around 9 seconds

I have measured three times my Pro Performance 0-100kmh. The result was for each run 7.6s. It should be over 8s.

 

[Philip Medlock]

VW must have messed mine up, ive got the 52 Pure and during the summer managed a 0-60 in around 9 seconds

Ha ha, well i was quoting the official time, haven't tried actually timing it. Will have to give it a go and see if mine is the same.

 

[6652]

I think all VWs, particularly the EVs, easily beat their official performance figures.

I’ve measured our GTX via OBD11 as 5.5s 0-60 vs the 6.2s official figure. A few tests have had it recorded at 5.4s, I think VW are quite conservative, so I’d expect the car the OP has ordered to not feel exactly ‘slow’, especially when on the move.

 

[GenerationGav]

Thanks everybody, you've alleviated my fears. As I said, I really just want it to feel progressive and safe, I'm not bothered about being a "racer" otherwise I wouldn't be going for the ID.4 in the first place. I'm not slow when driving but I'm not even one to take risks to overtake so I'm sure I'll be happy.
It's just the waiting game now...

 

[Briggo]

Our Pure 52 is even slower at 10.9 and to be honest it's fine. You end up using all of the acceleration quite often, but it's not like it makes more noise and ruins refinement like a petrol car.

How are you finding that impacts efficiency?

I've now had experience of the Born, ID3 and Q4 40 which are all the 200bhp motors so you don't need to use too much throttle to get moving.

Not that it matters as we won't be using our ID4 52kWh pure for many if any long journeys as that'll be the Tesla's job, but would be nice to know. I think from memory in the Q4 we got around 3.2 to 3.6mi/kWh typically on long motorway/A road journeys. We had it in the winter months and it had software 2.3 installed.

 

[Philip Medlock]

I've not noticed any obvious change. It'll only be a few times per journey it makes much of a difference anyway

Our ID4 is sticking nicely to 3.9mi/kwh since we got it two months ago. I've been surprised how efficient it is.

 

[4EV-ER]

Kind of in the same boat myself. In the end chose a better spec lower performance car over a better performance lower spec car from a different brand.

The actual revelation in my case was the simple fact that overtaking for example would be a much easier task in an EV than similarly performing ICE as the performance is more easily accessed without the need to downshift etc.

Racing from traffic lights is not important in my use case either, but again acceleration is accomplished much easier than in an ICE of equivalent or even slightly better performance.

For me the drive experience is all about easy and swift performance without putting too much stress to the tyres or drivetrain components. A single motor EV still has the traditional components like driveshaft joints etc. Especially worth to note in a FWD car, probably not so much in a RWD like the ID4.