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Wow, I didn't think the day would arrive so soon that a PHEV has a 34kWh battery.
 

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Wow, I didn't think the day would arrive so soon that a PHEV has a 34kWh battery.
I completely want one, but it’s going to be way out of reach.
Being more practical, what I really want is the 34KWh battery, with a slightly more mundane 100KW electric drive and say a 140 or 180 Hp engine in a slightly larger body format, like the new V60 or even XC40.

Or even the power train from the Geely TX5 cab (same stable) in one of the above body’s, though I do like the 4wd capability that the parallel drive gives...
 

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"Unlike in the Volt, the driver can also stamp on the accelerator to kick both drivetrains into action, unleashing the 325 horsepower of the gas engine, and the full performance promise from the car."

In what way is that an advantage, as implied by the phrase?

'Polestar' sounds like it's named after a small rodent to me. Doesn't give me any warm-glowing feelings that excite the wedding vegetables.

Why-o-why must a new EV always be "a new rival for Tesla". No-one will ever rival Tesla's cash-burn. Heck, Ford could burn that much and still end up in bankruptcy. GM already tried......
 

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"Unlike in the Volt, the driver can also stamp on the accelerator to kick both drivetrains into action, unleashing the 325 horsepower of the gas engine, and the full performance promise from the car."

In what way is that an advantage, as implied by the phrase?

'Polestar' sounds like it's named after a small rodent to me. Doesn't give me any warm-glowing feelings that excite the wedding vegetables.

Why-o-why must a new EV always be "a new rival for Tesla". No-one will ever rival Tesla's cash-burn. Heck, Ford could burn that much and still end up in bankruptcy. GM already tried......
It's an advantage if you really must have all the power there all the time even while driving in ev mode. Of course most of us who are sane realise that it's as pointless as having an ev mode which then doesn't keep it in ev.
 

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I completely want one, but it’s going to be way out of reach.
Being more practical, what I really want is the 34KWh battery, with a slightly more mundane 100KW electric drive and say a 140 or 180 Hp engine in a slightly larger body format, like the new V60 or even XC40.

Or even the power train from the Geely TX5 cab (same stable) in one of the above body’s, though I do like the 4wd capability that the parallel drive gives...
Almost the same here: I don't really care about the performance driving. 100-120 kW motor with a smaller ICE only producing electricity would work for me. The ICE would have to generate enough to maintain something like 85 MPH to make it comfortable, but any power in excess of that could be from stored electricity as it wouldn't be needed in continuous usage.

@donald I thought the same about Tesla rival. Should any new TV be called Samsung rival, and if a new restaurant opens it has to be a Mc Donald's rival I guess.
 

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"Unlike in the Volt, the driver can also stamp on the accelerator to kick both drivetrains into action, unleashing the 325 horsepower of the gas engine, and the full performance promise from the car."

In what way is that an advantage, as implied by the phrase?

'Polestar' sounds like it's named after a small rodent to me. Doesn't give me any warm-glowing feelings that excite the wedding vegetables.

Why-o-why must a new EV always be "a new rival for Tesla". No-one will ever rival Tesla's cash-burn. Heck, Ford could burn that much and still end up in bankruptcy. GM already tried......
The Polestar brand bas been around for years, but only visible on Volvo performance cars - so not very visible :).

I dont think it is aimed at Tesla. That is just the picture painted by the media of a performance EV for the "masses". I think its aimed at Audi A7 (S7) ICE drivers, or maybe the BMW i8 or 840, or even given the power and price tag figures, some of the GT cars (Porche Panamera, Aston, Ford GT40 / Shelby mustang). There, the whole point of the car is performance so having access to all 600bhp seems like an attractive selling point. The fact that it can also be a 90 mile EV gives it access to a market that would otherwise have been closed.

I am attracted to it for the EV range, and because underneath its a Volvo, and I am a bit of a Volvo nerd. Realistically though its not for me. I don't need 600bhp (as much as I might think I would like to try it), I do 150 miles round trip once per month, local sub 20 mile trips the rest of the time, and I have 3 kids and a caravan.

Give it 10 years when the kids have left home, and it will look a lot more attractive, but by then there will be a 300 to 500 mile range BEV with sub 1 hour charging that can tow a caravan.
 

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It's an advantage if you really must have all the power there all the time even while driving in ev mode. Of course most of us who are sane realise that it's as pointless as having an ev mode which then doesn't keep it in ev.
My guess is it will use the same model as the existing Volvo parallel powertrain, with simple selection for Pure (EV only), Hybrid (what it says) , Power (EV + ICE, optimised for performance), AWD (EV + ICE optimised for grip / traction) and Save (use the ICE to hang on to the EV range for when you get to the urban environment).

It would be bonkers not to have that available given its already a thing on their (much) older platforms. I have only had my V60 hybrid for 6 months or so, and I can count the number of times I have used "power" on one hand, almost all for joining a fast traffic stream from standstill (roundabout) where I want maximum traction and performance in one go. The whole of the rest of the time I am in pure or hybrid mode, making the most of the EV range to give me best fuel consumption.

My suspicion is that a 600bhp £100K+ car is not aimed at someone who just wants economy...
 

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I completely want one, but it’s going to be way out of reach.
Being more practical, what I really want is the 34KWh battery, with a slightly more mundane 100KW electric drive and say a 140 or 180 Hp engine in a slightly larger body format, like the new V60 or even XC40.

Or even the power train from the Geely TX5 cab (same stable) in one of the above body’s, though I do like the 4wd capability that the parallel drive gives...
Spot on how I feel about this!
 

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"Unlike in the Volt, the driver can also stamp on the accelerator to kick both drivetrains into action, unleashing the 325 horsepower of the gas engine, and the full performance promise from the car."
'Polestar' sounds like it's named after a small rodent to me. .
:ROFLMAO: This made me laugh out loud! But have to say, as a proud Swede I always liked the Polestar name, gave it a sort of mystical Nordic feel.... :)
 

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Claimed 90 something miles from a 34 KWh battery pack shows how inefficient this vehicle would be,they would be better off fitting say a 80 - 100 KWh pack and doing away with polluting ICE backup IMHO.
Great looking car,shame they bent over to contain ICE ,playing on range fear porn.
 

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Claimed 90 something miles from a 34 KWh battery pack shows how inefficient this vehicle would be,they would be better off fitting say a 80 - 100 KWh pack and doing away with polluting ICE backup IMHO.
Great looking car,shame they bent over to contain ICE ,playing on range fear porn.
Whilst I agree, I don’t think it’s the point of the car. It’s nothing to do with range fear but rather about winning customers in the muscle car segment over- this is squarely targeting Mustang, S5, M5 etc. drivers. These are people who often a. don’t worry too much about the planet and b. still really value the old school noise of an ICE when you floor the car. If it wins some people over to the wonders of electric driving, then great!

I somewhat belong to group b (but not a!) which is why I can kind of see the point of this car. If it allowed me to drive on EV for 95% of the time and then allowed me to have a bit of nostalgic fun every once in a while, I can see the appeal
 

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It is not a "Rival For Tesla" because it is ICE supported,they have already lost,even before production.
Keep an old BSA C15 for weekend use,to provide "old school noise" and vibration or watch old video to satisfy noise needs.
Group A = target missed and Group B was banned by the fun Police ;)
 

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I didn’t say it was a rival to the Tesla, the article did - and they always do :rolleyes:

I said it was a rival to ICE muscle cars and I think you will tempt some of them with this Polestar. If that means even 30% fewer ICE miles for each one that switches, it’s worth it. And when they experience the electric drive they might go full blown BEV the next time!
 
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