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I am very disappointed with National Trust and have tried to encourage them several times to let visitors use extant sockets dotted around their estates.

I am sorry but I have a dim view of this, and for them to come up with this form of words in support of EV charging only when someone comes forward with a business offer adds no credibility to their actions today other than to make them look like they are taking advantage of a commercial transaction and not that they have any interests in 'green' travel.

If anyone from the National Trust reads this and does not like the criticism, then PM me and I will forward on the emails I have had with you over the last 5 years. It is good that you are eventually doing something, but it looks very mercenary from where I am sitting.

Both because of attitudes like the National Trust and many other organisations, including HM Gov itself, I will be driving a chug-chug dinosaur-sputum burning thing for the next couple of years. So don't go back-slapping each other just yet, there are folks still waiting for you to understand EV needs properly.

... and I do hope it is nothing as totally mad as a couple of rapids .. so that once you are half way around a house tour you will need to exit yourself out, see if the charger is free, find that it is, go get your car, only to find someone has just dived into the slot, and you find your family has now cleared the house and is on to something else while you were finding another parking space.
 

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I’ve used chargers at NT properties before, at the sites near Sheringham, so they have been doing something up until now.

The NT exists primarily to look after some of our most important and historic places, not to provide a charging network, so hardly surprising that they would seek a commercial partner.

I get the feeling sometimes that whatever any organisation does with regard to charger provision, it’s never good enough or fast enough for some!
 

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I always ask where the EV charger is when I enter any NT or EH car park, and then again at the desk. The clueless expression tells all.

I raise a complaints form every time (they usually have them at the desk). I've also emailed them and never had a reply.

The NT, as an organisation has been on R4 Today programme claiming that they were, environmentally speaking, "showing what good looks like" but I think that extends to water free urinals only.

They should be embarrassed at their poor showing.
 

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I always ask where the petrol pumps are when I go to any NT property...

Is this what it’s coming too, continual grumpiness that companies (or in this case a charitable trust) haven’t catered for everybody’s sense of entitlement?

I think sometimes we do lose perspective on here, and fail to recognise that we’re at the start of a revolution and not at the stage of chopping heads just yet!
 

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I wouldn't go so far as doubt our NT membership but it reflects what happens when no-one in an organisation has a specialist view on something that they have responsibility for.

I always ask where the petrol pumps are when I go to any NT property...

Is this what it’s coming too, continual grumpiness that companies (or in this case a charitable trust) haven’t catered for everybody’s sense of entitlement?
No, it is grumpiness about failing to take a position on something when asked nicely and asked again and asked again for 5 years with them never actually forming any opinion or answer.

I appreciate that NTs 'business' is preservation of our national stock of remaining houses that Labour did not get to see destroyed into oblivion, which was presumably their intention. However, to do that requires engagement in attracting customers and that involves engagement in listening to them and responding intelligently.
 

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They also have a load of holiday let’s which will need facilities in the future. Unfortunately I forgot to fill out the comments form at Hardwick Hall. Very nice ‘cottage’ if you want to stay somewhere without charging facilities.
 

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They also have a load of holiday let’s which will need facilities in the future. Unfortunately I forgot to fill out the comments form at Hardwick Hall. Very nice ‘cottage’ if you want to stay somewhere without charging facilities.
You're mistaken if you think the NT will be retrofitting car chargers to cottages. A lot of the charm of NT cottages is their period feel:
Draw back the curtains to an idyllic lake scene where sailing boats bob along the waters and towering mountains provide the backdrop. Low Strawberry Gardens sits within metres of the west shore of Windermere, complete with its own jetty for you to watch the scenery unfold. Once a market garden, where tourists would row across the lake for its main crop, Strawberries, now a two-bedroom lakeside retreat brimming with original features from the slate floors, exposed beams to the old range in the lounge.

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As there are no electric sockets, there is no television, radio/CD or microwave available at this cottage. Please do not use the socket for fridge due to shortage of electric supply.
So not likely they'll be providing car charging there as they don't provide electricity for anything else.

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The lack of charging does mean that pay fewer visits to NT places that require charging to make the round trip, so it's a bit frustrating. But we have no right to demand charging facilities; all we can do is point out that providing such is in line both with their claimed 'green' views and with their commercial interests.

Like others, I always ask whether there's any provision for EV charging when I visit NT locations. Other than in Wales, it usually draws a blank. On the feedback card, I always put that I would have liked to stay on to visit to their café but that I'll need to charge the car on the way home so I'll have my refreshment break then instead.
 

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The lack of charging does mean that pay fewer visits to NT places that require charging to make the round trip, so it's a bit frustrating. But we have no right to demand charging facilities; all we can do is point out that providing such is in line both with their claimed 'green' views and with their commercial interests.
I never asked for charging points from NT, I only ever asked if I could use existing sockets on site that were outside and not in use.

So if I am not 'demanding' charging points but I am asking them to show me their 'green credentials' and let me charge from available outlets, from which they could also profit nicely from my generous contributions, then what is the issue? Either they don't actually care about manifesting their claims for 'greenness' or ..... err .... nothing else, I can't think why they wouldn't otherwise, so that is all .... they don't actually care.

Does that cover your point, @SandBee ? Have I missed something?
 
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"Both BMW i and the National Trust have ambitious plans for this first year of the partnership. One of our aims is to extend the Trust’s growing network of charging points across England, Wales and Northern Ireland, meaning that if you drive an electric car you can charge up at more Trust places while you visit. "

All they have to do to meet this weasel ridden objective is install one. As a lifelong member of the NT I've been dismayed by how poor their response to EV charging has been so far. Woeful.
 

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Either they don't actually care about manifesting their claims for 'greenness' or ..... err .... nothing else, I can't think why they wouldn't otherwise, so that is all .... they don't actually care.
What's new about paying lip service with no follow through?

As I said, we can keep asking and encouraging, but I think it's also useful to try to show that it's in their interests as well as ours.

Interesting that the NT lists 21 available charging locations in Wales (well known to be a charging desert otherwise), 2 in Northern Ireland, and just 5 in the whole of England (of which 2 are in North Norfolk, which also suffers from a lack of chargers). Why the imbalance?
 

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What's new about paying lip service with no follow through?
What's new is the cynical (and, I would say, actually provenly wrong) comments thrown around when BMW comes on board.

One cannot claim to care about something if one doesn't! Caring about something is more than offering an opinion when someone gives you money to hold that opinion.

"As a conservation charity, we’re committed to managing the effect humans have on the
world around us. It’s an aim we share with our new partner BMW i..."


Sorry, National Trust, that's bullshyte. You are not committed to that and it is NOT an aim you have shared with any of the ACTUAL EV OWNERS that have taken their time and effort to contact you.

Maybe they have had an epiphany? Sorry, colour me cynical, I think it is hypocritical of them to continue with this line of commentary without ALSO opening up their existing power outlets for EV use.

I'll be writing to the contacts I previously discussed this with and giving them a piece of my mind.

An aim you share?! Oh, ffs.....
 
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What's new about paying lip service with no follow through?

As I said, we can keep asking and encouraging, but I think it's also useful to try to show that it's in their interests as well as ours.

Interesting that the NT lists 21 available charging locations in Wales (well known to be a charging desert otherwise), 2 in Northern Ireland, and just 5 in the whole of England (of which 2 are in North Norfolk, which also suffers from a lack of chargers). Why the imbalance?
I wonder if the Welsh Assembly had a hand in funding some of the Welsh charge points?

There may be only the two 7kw chargers in North Norfolk (podpoint machines last time I used them) but they’re there and are very useful in the otherwise sparsely covered region.

Interestingly, last time I used it I was talking to the car park guy who came over to speak to me and said it was nice to see somebody using the chargers as nobody was usually.

I think you’ve got to look at it from the NT point of view too, the investment in charge points to fulfil the environmental part of their business plan probably isn’t as worthwhile as the same cash invested in solar or even spending some money insulating whatever drafty outbuilding serves as the offices at each location.

It might drive a few memberships but I’m pretty sure on the list of NT priorities, providing something for a few EV owners to enjoy must be quite low down compared to other things. Like upgrading toilets or making the attractions as wheelchair friendly as possible.

That said, even a 3 pin plug made available for charging (assuming sufficient power was available) wouldn’t be expensive I agree. There would still be people moaning it wasn’t at least a 7kw post though, or it was iced by a Honda Jazz...
 

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There are a lot of locations where blue commandos are the norm, dotted around. Not all estates have such access available where a car can be left, for sure, but where they do they often have quite a large number (probably for hosting events, I'd wager).

All they have had to do on several visits I made is 'yup, OK, just plug in over there', instead they say 'err..ummm... not sure...sorry, no....'. (n)(n)
 

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I draw your attention to the line in the top right hand corner.

For those who are not aware, this means that BMW have bought advertising space in the NT magazine, and dressed it up to look like editorial.

Commercial indeed - but I very much doubt NT staff or their publishing partners wrote any of the copy: the most they will have had is oversight.

In other words, it's a straightforward advert for BMW. No more, no less.
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