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For those who think, the Renault Zoe is only a city car, can see here our 1,200 km long distance trip from Balingen in Germany to Prague in Czech Republic and back.
It was quite adventurous, because on the way two charging stations are not working and 0% state of charge.
 

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For those who think, the Renault Zoe is only a city car, can see here our 1,200 km long distance trip from Balingen in Germany to Prague in Czech Republic and back.
It was quite adventurous, because on the way two charging stations are not working and 0% state of charge.

22kWh or 41kWh model?
 

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So you saved 20 mins each charging session? :p
I don't know how much I saved....
As much as possible I only like to use the quick charging with more than 30 kW DC. That's roughly up to 75% soc.
Better more charging brakes than very long for fully charge the battery.
The Zoe R90 can only charge max. 22 kW AC and that doesn't mean it's charging with 22 kW DC from 0% to 100%.
What I can see, usually the 22 kW AC charger have only about 20.5 kW max AC output power and sometimes less than 20 kW AC.
 

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Good trip, maybe not epic though. Its only about 7 stops to charge is it not? 745miles. I did 500 in a 22kWh Zoe 5 years ago, 10 charging stops. 3 back to back broken, that felt epic having to stop ever 70miles. All under 24 hours too..... Don't think I'd do a trip like that again though, not in a hurry.
 

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I did London to Barcelona in a ZOE once. In an R90...
Thats a bit more epic, nearly 1000 miles. Did you do it in 2 days?
 

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Thats a bit more epic, nearly 1000 miles. Did you do it in 2 days?
Let’s see. Got the late train on a Friday. Two nights in France.

Probably the best part of three days.

The worst part was getting charged by the minute on French rapid chargers. :(
 

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Great video Alex, good to see how well the battery performs at such (relatively) high temperatures in winter! Also highlights the benefits of the Q90 despite what the naysayers may say!
 

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I don't know how much I saved....
As much as possible I only like to use the quick charging with more than 30 kW DC. That's roughly up to 75% soc.
Better more charging brakes than very long for fully charge the battery.
The Zoe R90 can only charge max. 22 kW AC and that doesn't mean it's charging with 22 kW DC from 0% to 100%.
What I can see, usually the 22 kW AC charger have only about 20.5 kW max AC output power and sometimes less than 20 kW AC.
Well done, great video. Thanks for posting.
 

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Weird that the car kept saying 1hr 50 charging time at 20% SOC. That’s kind of what mine says. :)
 

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Weird that the car kept saying 1hr 50 charging time at 20% SOC. That’s kind of what mine says. :)
This has been debated to death many times before and the result is always the same - If you only ever charge to 100% on Rapids then yes both models are similar.

However, realistically I only charge what I need while on rapids, whilst on a longer journey with a warm battery... and that is rarely a full charge.

If the R90 works well for your use case that's great, but the Q90 is the superior motor for my use case. At least the ZE50 should put all these comparisons to bed with CCS!
 

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If the R90 works well for your use case that's great, but the Q90 is the superior motor for my use case. At least the ZE50 should put all these comparisons to bed with CCS!
Phah!!! You should know better! Queue the "But the ZE50 will only take x kW, even less when not completely empty, unlike <an EV that is either not on the market or twice as expensive>" in 3....., 2...... :eek:
 

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Phah!!! You should know better! Queue the "But the ZE50 will only take x kW, even less when not completely empty, unlike <an EV that is either not on the market or twice as expensive>" in 3....., 2...... :eek:
😁 But the ZE50 will only take 40kW, even less when not completely empty, unlike the Tesla cyber truck :p
 

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This has been debated to death many times before and the result is always the same - If you only ever charge to 100% on Rapids then yes both models are similar.

However, realistically I only charge what I need while on rapids, whilst on a longer journey with a warm battery... and that is rarely a full charge.

If the R90 works well for your use case that's great, but the Q90 is the superior motor for my use case. At least the ZE50 should put all these comparisons to bed with CCS!
This is a thread about charging on a long road trip. From experience you generally need to charge to high SOCs on these trips.

Otherwise you are just spending your time diverting to chargers and hence losing any benefit of faster charging.
 

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The rapid Q model charging speed is only in the lower SOC. So I better charge often with low SOC, than charging always to 100%.
Charging to 100% is only a good option, if you don't need to wait and the car is standing around.
I am pretty sure you can't have much shorter charging stopps with a ZE50.
Usually below 50% SOC, the Q model charging power is around 38 kW. Rough calculation, with 50% SOC it will go below 30 kW and with 80% SOC it will go below 20 kW.
In this long distance trip it doesn't matter if it's winter or not, because we are driving fast on the Autobahn, so the battery gets warm. It's only if the battery is cold, the charging power is very low and it takes ages... ;-)
In my daily routine, I am driving every day about 70 km Autobahn with average 120 km/h (75 mph). So when I reach the 43 kW AC charging station, the battery is always warm to have full charging power, even if it's cold with -10°C outside ;-)
I am really excited, how fast the Zoe ZE50 will charge. But I think it's not a big gainb. Because when I see other cars charging at the 50 kW CCS, the power calculated over time, is seldom more than 40 kW.
 

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Just for fun I worked out that the theoretical time saved charging say 10%-50% at 38kW vs 20 kW on a Zoe 40 is just under 23 minutes. So as long as your diversion time is less than this, then you're winning. :)

I fear that due to the higher pack density the ZE50 will be ever diminishing returns on charging speed. If real world charging time for 10%-80% is less than 50 minutes I'll be pleased.
 

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Here's Bjorn testing the charging speed (speeded up):

You won't like it! 55 minutes for 10% - 80%. Quickest rate is 45 kW.
 

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If real world charging time for 10%-80% is less than 50 minutes I'll be pleased.
Renault I believe quote 1hr 10mns on CCS from 20%-80%. Slow, average 34kW over a charge. Somewhat disappointing i'm sure you'll agree.
 
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