[EVNewbie]

Hi everybody,

I have just joined this forum as we're looking to buy a used Renault Zoe and wouldn't mind some advice from the collective knowledge and experience on here.

We have been to an excellent garage today but are still undecided on which Zoe to get - I am sure of whether each is a 'Q' model or a 'R' model - how can I tell as Autotrader don't seem to say? The two we have shortlisted are very similar:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007231594103?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007141216706?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

The owner of the garage, who I was really impressed by, said that Renault changed the motor during 2015/6 to extend the range even thought it lengthened the charge time. So, if I understand him correctly, the black one (16 plate) we like has a longer range but takes longer to charge.

Any advice as to the difference between these two cars?

And also, no DAB radio??? Has anyone retrofitted one?

I assume people are fans of these cars? We test drove it and thought it was great fun!

Thanks, apologies for the stupid questions.

 

[cah197]

This garage is a specialist, so it should be able to tell you if either is a ‘Q’ model. Just get it in writing, or check under the bonnet.

 

[Sandy]

Well no picture of the motor for the black one. But the blue one is an R motor. So the black one is an R motor too, in which case he doesn't know what he's talking about as they'll both have the same range.

Bother are massively overpriced and will have no manufacture warranty left. Better to shop on here and pick up a car for no more than £4500 from an owner rather than paying a £3+k surcharge for an expert sale.

Or buy this one... Renault Zoe DYNAMIQUE INTENS AUTO

Tell them Sandy Ritchie recommended you. (full disclosure I'll get £100 if you buy). More importantly its my old car so I can tell you anything you need to know about the car. Its a bargain. Its a Q motor car, honest range is 85miles summer and 65miles winter (NEDC will say 130miles). Its got 4 matching almost new Michelin EV tyres. Full service. Battery hire too, last time I checked it was showing 92-95% SOH on the pack (5 months ago).

 

[EVNewbie]

Thank you both.

Here's a different link to the black one...

2016 (16) Black Renault Zoe - Drive Green

Drive Green is the UK’s biggest used electric car specialists. We deal solely in EVs so we can provide you with the very best, non-brand-biased expert advice. Contact us to book an appointment to view and test drive this car, or to find out more about switching to driving an electric car, or to...

drive-green.co.uk

Should I be aiming for a Q motor or a R motor?

Thanks

 

[cah197]

Should I be aiming for a Q motor or a R motor?

It depends on your needs really.

Whats your max daily mileage and do you have home charging?

 

[Iceman10]

Hi everybody,

I have just joined this forum as we're looking to buy a used Renault Zoe and wouldn't mind some advice from the collective knowledge and experience on here.

We have been to an excellent garage today but are still undecided on which Zoe to get - I am sure of whether each is a 'Q' model or a 'R' model - how can I tell as Autotrader don't seem to say? The two we have shortlisted are very similar:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007231594103?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007141216706?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

The owner of the garage, who I was really impressed by, said that Renault changed the motor during 2015/6 to extend the range even thought it lengthened the charge time. So, if I understand him correctly, the black one (16 plate) we like has a longer range but takes longer to charge.

Any advice as to the difference between these two cars?

And also, no DAB radio??? Has anyone retrofitted one?

I assume people are fans of these cars? We test drove it and thought it was great fun!

Thanks, apologies for the stupid questions.

Whether you go for Q or R depends on your mileage and also whether you can charge at home / work / local supermarket. If you're going to be doing a regular journey that's going to be longer than the range of the Zoe then you'll probably want to charge quicker.

I am selling a Q motor Zoe 22kWh 2015 in the classifieds on the forum. My Zoe has had the warranty extended.

The black one is described as an R model, the second bullet point says "AC 22kW charging (80% + charge within 1 hour for 65 plate onwards models".

The blue one is described as a Q model, "This model of Zoe rapid charges at almost twice the speed of the 65 plate onwards models".

Whether they've described it accurately is another thing altogether. There are dealers who have advertised vehicles as leased when they're really owned.

 

[Dave1]

Thank you both.

Here's a different link to the black one...

2016 (16) Black Renault Zoe - Drive Green

Drive Green is the UK’s biggest used electric car specialists. We deal solely in EVs so we can provide you with the very best, non-brand-biased expert advice. Contact us to book an appointment to view and test drive this car, or to find out more about switching to driving an electric car, or to...

drive-green.co.uk

Should I be aiming for a Q motor or a R motor?

Thanks

I had a 22kw R and the wife had a 22kw Q.
I Preferred the R motor just seemed to go better and a tad more range and supposedly more reliable, although we had no issues with either, , as for the charging not a massive difference from the 45 to the 22 as most rapid ac chargers seemed to fall bellow the 45kw charge any how, in my experience
may be at a push 15 to 20 mins more for a low state to 85 to 90% charge.
Also the majority of AC chargers now are 22kw max.

 

[donald]

Hi everybody,

I have just joined this forum as we're looking to buy a used Renault Zoe and wouldn't mind some advice from the collective knowledge and experience on here.

We have been to an excellent garage today but are still undecided on which Zoe to get - I am sure of whether each is a 'Q' model or a 'R' model - how can I tell as Autotrader don't seem to say? The two we have shortlisted are very similar:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007231594103?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202007141216706?radius=1500&colour=Black&colour=Blue&colour=Grey&make=RENAULT&price-to=8500&year-from=2015&aggregatedTrim=Dynamique%20Nav&sort=distance&postcode=bs284bq&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-to=2020&model=ZOE&page=1

The owner of the garage, who I was really impressed by, said that Renault changed the motor during 2015/6 to extend the range even thought it lengthened the charge time. So, if I understand him correctly, the black one (16 plate) we like has a longer range but takes longer to charge.

Any advice as to the difference between these two cars?

And also, no DAB radio??? Has anyone retrofitted one?

I assume people are fans of these cars? We test drove it and thought it was great fun!

Thanks, apologies for the stupid questions.

You're missing the absolute, drop-dead most important piece of information.

Which of these have had the warranty continuation with Renault and which ones, if any, will Renault allow you to continue the warranty on?

If neither, walk away, go find a car which you can extend the warranty on.

If both .. we can talk about it some more ...

 

[Iceman10]

You're missing the absolute, drop-dead most important piece of information.

Which of these have had the warranty continuation with Renault and which ones, if any, will Renault allow you to continue the warranty on?

If neither, walk away, go find a car which you can extend the warranty on.

If both .. we can talk about it some more ...

I'm not sure, I may be completely wrong but can the warranty only be extended by an individual and not a dealer?

 

[donald]

I'm not sure, I may be completely wrong but can the warranty only be extended by an individual and not a dealer?

I think you are right. So the question is, which of those has the previous owner extended the warranty on?

I would be calling Renault and asking.

 

[Zarni]

Expanding a little on what Sandy mentioned about the warranty. There are cars out there with an extended warranty on which is pretty reasonable. My car is a 2015 and is in it's second year of extended warranty. I personally wouldn't even look at a car that wasn't still under either the original manufactures warranty or the Renault extended warranty. The risk of anything going wrong and costing an arm a leg is too great for me.
Fortunately it is easy to check if the car is under warranty and can still be extended. Go to their website Renault Extended Warranty and put in the reg number, you'll have to add a purchase price and mileage but those numbers don't affect anything at this stage so just stick any number in. If it tells you "Sorry there are no products that match your vehicle details. " The car does not and cannot have the extended warranty. If it gives you a load of details and a price then you're good. If it quotes £289 then car is still under the original Renault warranty and that is for the year after the original warranty expires (even if you try this for a 2019 car) if it is more then the car is already under the extended warranty which you can extend up to it being ten years old.

Both cars listed by the OP aren't under warranty.

 

[EVNewbie]

That's incredibly helpful, thank you everyone. Great heads up on the warranty situation too.

 

[555djx]

I'm not sure, I may be completely wrong but can the warranty only be extended by an individual and not a dealer?

The dealer can extend the warranty. I bought a 2017 R90 ZE40 from DSG in Morecambe in June, they extended the warranty until March 2022, and I have the Renault paperwork to confirm it.

 

[555djx]

Iceman10's Zoe at £6,500 seems a bargain compared to the two Zoes you listed, and considering he mentions that it's still got warranty.

 

[donald]

Iceman10's Zoe at £6,500 seems a bargain compared to the two Zoes you listed, and considering he mentions that it's still got warranty.

It's a total no-brainer (if one really 'must' buy a used Zoe).

 

[MrMoonUK]

Don’t buy either as out of warranty. Rule number 1 of zoe is never ever have one out of warranty

 

[cah197]

Don’t buy either as out of warranty. Rule number 1 of zoe is never ever have one out of warranty

I'm not sure that's such a good rule.

I mean it might affect the price, but no reason not to buy one out of warranty.

 

[donald]

Rule number 2; always question rule number 1.

 

[Sandy]

The blue one is described as a Q model, "This model of Zoe rapid charges at almost twice the speed of the 65 plate onwards models".

Which makes me question the expert dealer as they've given a clear picture of the under bonnet for the blue car which is clearly an R motor.

Which of these have had the warranty continuation with Renault and which ones,

If either had a warranty it would be mentioned. Worth its weight in gold. Both cars are way overpriced with no Renault warranty.

Back to my post about my old car, worth noting, although not mentioned in the add, it still has 14 days of the extended warranty remaining. I know this as Renault emailed me today asking me if I wanted to extend it (no ta, I sold the car).

Personally when buying a Zoe I would go on condition, don't go on mileage, the mileage doesn't mean a thing. Aside from those low mile cars haven't been driven much so you really don't know how reliable they are. My old one for example had zero mechanical under bonnet issues in 57k miles, making it a bargain at £5600. You'll haggle £100+ off that easy i'm sure.

Regarding which is best (my opinion). R allegedly goes further, but reality shows it really doesn't (look at the club 100 posts where the Q cars tend to beat their NEDC and the R ones don't, they don't even beat the Q NEDC range). R is marginally more efficient for home charging, it'll save you 20p a day on a 50% charge. The R is more reliable, so said Renault in 2016 and everyone believed it, then loads of R models had issues compared to the equivalent Q models. The Q motor is a little bit noisier than the R but you'll never worry about that. The Q charges almost 50% faster on a rapid post and just as fast on a 22kW post. If you want to go more than commuting distance you'll want the Q motor. You may tell yourself "I'll never use it for more than 20mile commute" and then you'll plan a road trip within 6 weeks of ownership because you love it.... the Q can do road trips in its stride, the R will require twice as long for charging stops making road trips a bit of a drag.

 

[MrMoonUK]

I'm not sure that's such a good rule.

I mean it might affect the price, but no reason not to buy one out of warranty.

The reason being that they cost £1000s in parts when inevitably the aircon/heat will break down or it will have charging errors. Not to mention the suspension made of cheese