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I am impressed with Tesla's customer service.

They've given me a Roadster loaner free of charge for the weekend while my Model S is in the shop. The M25 hadn't been this fun since I drove my Model S home from picking it up :)

I took it in a couple of weeks ago to get my wing mirror replaced (some idiot dinged it while I was parked) and they had ordered in the replacement mirror for the wrong side, so they offered me the Roadster for when I came back.

It's a 60 plate with only 20k miles on the clock. Pretty sweet :)
 

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Ahh, that's the same one I was loaned this time last year. I've attached two random pics of it, including a bizarre one when testing a X 50 zoom lens on a windy hill top, as you do . .

What are your thoughts on the Roadster bearing in mind you're used to a totally different experience in the S ??


light blue roadster loaner 1.jpg

X50 zoom example.jpg
 

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@Arch, yep that's the same one :)

Compared to the Model S... it's apples and oranges really isn't it, they are completely different classes of vehicle. The closest I've come to the experience before is being a passenger in a Lotus, think that would have been at least 15 years ago! You get a sense of being very close to the road, not just in terms of being low to the ground, but also the stiffer suspension and the vibrations of the road being transmitted directly to your hands.

In terms of acceleration, I think I was expecting more, perhaps my expectations are skewed from the ridiculous acceleration of the P85. To be honest though, I didn't push it as hard as I could have, partly because it was wet, but mainly down to confidence - you can feel quite vulnerable down there next to truck wheels higher than where your head is, and losing control and ending up under one of them wasn't on my agenda for the day. The confidence builds rapidly though - by the end of the journey I was well up for trying some standing starts, but time was pressing.

It's much less high-tech, of course, but not in a bad way at all, it feels raw and exciting. That said, I hope they make a new Roadster at some point with Model S level technology (or inevitably, whatever supercedes it by then).

I'd love to own both - the Roadster would be completely impractical for about half of the journeys I make, I do need the space.

Planning on having some fun with it over the weekend and getting it out onto the A roads!
 

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Compared to the Model S... it's apples and oranges really isn't it, they are completely different classes of vehicle. The closest I've come to the experience before is being a passenger in a Lotus, think that would have been at least 15 years ago! You get a sense of being very close to the road, not just in terms of being low to the ground, but also the stiffer suspension and the vibrations of the road being transmitted directly to your hands.

In terms of acceleration, I think I was expecting more, perhaps my expectations are skewed from the ridiculous acceleration of the P85. To be honest though, I didn't push it as hard as I could have, partly because it was wet, but mainly down to confidence - you can feel quite vulnerable down there next to truck wheels higher than where your head is, and losing control and ending up under one of them wasn't on my agenda for the day. The confidence builds rapidly though - by the end of the journey I was well up for trying some standing starts, but time was pressing.

It's much less high-tech, of course, but not in a bad way at all, it feels raw and exciting. That said, I hope they make a new Roadster at some point with Model S level technology (or inevitably, whatever supercedes it by then).

I'd love to own both - the Roadster would be completely impractical for about half of the journeys I make, I do need the space.

Planning on having some fun with it over the weekend and getting it out onto the A roads!
I've not driven the Roadster, but had a Lotus of one sort or another for 10 years now, so can guarantee you'll have a blast!

My S demolishes my current one in a drag race, but on a flowing b road wouldn't keep up. I often look down at the speedo on a weekend blast and am shocked how quickly I'm going.
 

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Sorry if I am going off topic here, I have heard Tesla's parts /labour are ludicrously expensive.
Do you mind if you could share the replacement cost of the mirror?
 

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Sure. They quoted £560. Not cheap but still less than my insurance excess. I'll get the bill on Monday though ...
 

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Sure. They quoted £560. Not cheap but still less than my insurance excess. I'll get the bill on Monday though ...
Is that for a complete unit, or just the cowl?

If the former, that's not too bad actually, considering it's a heated, auto dimming, fully motorised unit.
 

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Is that for a complete unit, or just the cowl?

If the former, that's not too bad actually, considering it's a heated, auto dimming, fully motorised unit.
Yes thats about the same as Range Rover mirror unit.
Is Tesla's mirrors heated? I was watching a vid earlier.
I was surprised to hear a Tesla experience specialist telling the owner it isn't heated.
If thats the case, its pretty poor!

Edit: sorry its heated, I've just checked the site
 

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OK, so I typed out the following write-up and on re-reading it sounds pretty negative overall, so I should preface it by saying that I enjoyed driving the Roadster immensely and would jump at the chance to do it again. If that does happen it will hopefully be at a time where I don't have any other commitments and can properly do the car justice by taking it way out of the way of London.

A friend and I had a wedding to go to on the Saturday so of course we took the Roadster. Unfortunately due to where it was, this meant a fair bit more M25 action, but at least it was nice and clear. I got a chance to throw it round some corners once we got a bit closer to the venue. On the way back the following day we tried to find a more fun route. We had some success but also ended up stuck in traffic around Enfield.

We also had some range issues. I had "fully" charged it on the Friday night but only hit something like 140 miles of estimated range. The outward journey was only about 45 miles but somehow the estimated range was way down below 50 the next morning.

Grabbed a couple of opportunistic short charges on the way back, once near Watford and once at South Mimms but somehow ended up with only 11 miles once we got back to east London. I dropped my mate off with plans to get back to the chargers at Stratford International with the remaining charge. 15 minutes later when I got back into the Roadster those 12 miles had vanished and I was getting dire warnings about the car about to shut down. I had to cycle the key to access the final reserve battery. Fortunately there was a charging post a couple of minutes drive away that I could reach. When I got there I found a Model S charging (with reg number one different to mine :eek:)

I couldn't get the cable to reach with the Model S parked where it was, so I just waited. While I was waiting a Leaf showed up! I'd never seen this charging post in use before, so to have a queue when I was at critically low levels was kinda stressful. That there are starting to be queues for charging posts is a good sign as EV ownership is on the up, but clearly more are needed!

The 11 miles that I had randomly lost earlier in the day then reappeared and the estimated range jumped from 92 to 103... hmm! Not sure if this is typical variance in range estimation based on driving style or an indication of a faulty battery pack.

I would really love to see what Tesla could come up with if they were to update the Roadster with their newest technology.
 

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It sounds like a fair review given your usage.

The range thing does sound weird, and I guess it's a shame you don't live somewhere a bit more Roadster friendly. There are loads of really nice roads round here that I'll often get up early in summer to go for a spin in the Lotus that would be a real treat in a fully charged up Roadster!

It will be interesting to see if Tesla ever do make a new roadster with all the lessons learnt in the S, it would be a fab car!
 

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We also had some range issues. I had "fully" charged it on the Friday night but only hit something like 140 miles of estimated range. The outward journey was only about 45 miles but somehow the estimated range was way down below 50 the next morning.

Glad you enjoyed the Roadster, although it is at the other end of the EV spectrum to a Model S. I've had the benefit of driving 1,000+ miles in a P85+ recently and its been amazing. But I've been driving it like I used to drive my old Audi A6 and doing 80mph up motorways etc, averaging 450 wh/m between full charges. That actually means I'm getting 'only' 170-180 miles between fills ..

However, your Roadster range / mileage figures are mighty weird and low sounding, unless you were enjoying excessive use of the right hand pedal. Normally you should see 160-180 miles in general use with some enjoyable squirts of power. But 140 is really low.

Most of the time a Roadsters range display is in 'normal' mode and the 'est' and 'ideal' values behave a bit differently to the MS. The 'normal' mode hides the fact that there's 20-30 miles to be unlocked by tapping the VDS into 'range' mode. If you do a range-charge as well then that will add another 15-20miles at the top end. When Tesla Inc quote the headline figure of 240 miles in average driving, they actually meant 237 miles at steady 55mph on a level road in the dry at 20'c ambient with zero headwind. I *have* actually verified this by matching those conditions once and got 237 miles but the car was gasping for a recharge at the end of it. The car was unmodified and had the hard top on.

My next statement might be scoffed at but its perfectly true and demonstrable .. Over the summer, I did a great deal of active R&D on my cars aerodynamics and RR losses, and after 3 months of documented work I managed to dramatically extend the range of the car without touching the electronics or ESS. Right now it is capable of just over 300 miles at the same rated motorway cruising speed that Tesla Inc used. When my car goes out of warranty shortly, I'll be doing one final fairly major tweak (that would invalidate the warranty), that will be my Pièce de air-résistaunce (to be said in a strong comedic French accent!) and may surprise a few people. Watch this space .. : -)

I've also done quite a lot of interior mods to make the cockpit a much more relaxed and quiet place to be for long journeys, although not quite in the same league as a Model S because ultimately a Roadster is a small 2 seat sports car based loosely on something designed 20 yrs ago.
 

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Hey Arch, nice photos, thats Burton Dassett hills there, seem to be the defacto EV photo shoot place as Mitsubishi used if for the PHEV outlander video, so are you local? I am in Banbury, if you ever want to stop buy and show me either car I would be chuffed! still not seen a Model S in the flesh yet.:)
 
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