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Hi all...

I was lucky enough to get added to FSD Beta a few releases ago... This is the first time in the program that Tesla has allowed participants to share our experiences to the public and I have shared a few of my drives on Twitter, but uploaded my videos to my YouTube (which was originally meant to share unlisted videos with family)... So, I will use this thread to update the SpeakEV community on some of the drives as I share it on YouTube and Twitter.

I would like to stress that FSD Beta is a driver assist system AND NOT AUTONOMOUS. As the operator of the vehicle, I remain in control and responsible for the drive.

I don't normally record my drives, so my early videos had to wait until my better half was able to join me on the drive and act as my camera person. I have since modified one of my old phones to record the drives, so my better half doesn't have to do the camera work.

Here is a quick link to the YouTube playlist:

My first software release I was added to: 2020.48.10.1 on the second week of December 2020:

FSD Visualizations:

First Drive:

Testing out first EAP to FSD Beta hand-off:

Testing out FSD Beta onto Highway:


Intermission... A little Human Driving Thrown in for a drive in the better half's Roadster: https://youtu.be/_FAvAnJc0cY


https://youtu.be/doeXkzOEvGQ

https://youtu.be/OgPHg-_PtQ0

https://youtu.be/3i59330yWCg

https://youtu.be/RYn3N9u3XKk

https://youtu.be/edd7knWw3C4


My second software release I was added to: 2020.48.12.15 right before Christmas 2020:

https://youtu.be/Y2NzxPzfiK4

https://youtu.be/ogjYv31yU7Q

https://youtu.be/0d8SAr-ZmzQ

https://youtu.be/_ANk0ufpmU8

https://youtu.be/Tj_tGogflvY

https://youtu.be/k8g_XeaTF_M

https://youtu.be/5eLbLDt4X9U

https://youtu.be/dPxKilUwJbw

https://youtu.be/iAujLVMdaJI


My third software release I was added to: 2020.48.26.1 at the end of December 2020.

These videos were just published today:


https://youtu.be/BrlLlYOPUt4

https://youtu.be/kbc2Cgfipj4

https://youtu.be/SrFg_EuYeLM

https://youtu.be/DGQql0DZDyc

https://youtu.be/aOqUnEjeh9s


I tend to post these first on YouTube and then Tweet about it... So, feel free to follow there, or just watch this thread and I'll try to summarize my snippets of uploads in subsequent posts from today.

My YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/DennisPascual/featured) or My Twitter - (https://twitter.com/dennis_p)
 

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In the last video, there's a strange square blur which appears as you approach a stop, then moves around the screen until it lands on the map... aliens? ;)
 

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In the last video, there's a strange square blur which appears as you approach a stop, then moves around the screen until it lands on the map... aliens? ;)
On purpose... Area 53 :cool::alien:👾
 

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I would like to stress that FSD Beta is a driver assist system AND NOT AUTONOMOUS.
Getting pretty tired of Tesla‘s split personality. “Full self driving” they proclaim, followed by three pages of T&Cs explaining how it isn’t.

If they’re going to make such bold claims, they should be man enough to put their hands up and apologise when it drives into something - which happens more often than they’d admit to, as it’s so easy for them to blame the “driver”.
 

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Getting pretty tired of Tesla‘s split personality. “Full self driving” they proclaim, followed by three pages of T&Cs explaining how it isn’t.

If they’re going to make such bold claims, they should be man enough to put their hands up and apologise when it drives into something - which happens more often than they’d admit to, as it’s so easy for them to blame the “driver”.
Frankly, the SAE guidelines for autonomy list out several things that are not going to match with Tesla’s vehicles for it to reach Level 5.

The steering wheel’s existence already violates Level 5 guidelines. Additionally, unless any “autonomous” OEM indemnities the “operator” of responsibility, it’s just marketing BS.

I’m not a fan of the label, but understand what I bought. So... I’m ok with FSD being able to do what it does, with the need for me to pay attention, as I do with AP.
 

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Level 3 is where liability transfers to manufacturer isn’t it? I think that’s what Tesla are shooting for. Level 2+ is an odd compromise.
 

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Level 3 is where liability transfers to manufacturer isn’t it? I think that’s what Tesla are shooting for. Level 2+ is an odd compromise.
My own opinion is, and no inside knowledge whatsoever, is that all OEMs benefit more in selling us "autonomy-lite" features and keep the liability with the operator.

Frankly, I prefer to do some HUMAN driving as EVs are entirely too much fun to drive. My old civic hybrid would have been great to drive me around as it was purely a commuter vehicle and its redeeming qualities was minimized gasoline/petrol consumption and access to high occupancy vehicle lanes. The moment I started driving an electric motor propelled vehicle, it re-invigorated fun driving by multiples above ICE vehicles.
 

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I just published this clip to document a tough left turn, followed by the need for quick lane changes to a right turn three lanes away.

It hasn't completed this sequence yet, so I was documenting this disengagement to hopefully show it successful in future releases.

I've tested this turn in previous releases, and it likes to pick the left-most lane when turning left. When I am manually driving, I just turn into the 2nd lane, and make one lane change right... That's probably what it will need to do...

 

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Here's another rather short snippet. This one is the car navigating through the neighborhood (25 mph limit), it's night time, so I dial down the limits to 20 mph because that is MY normal behavior this close to home.

It goes through a couple of Stop Signs and makes an unprotected left...

It's a quick 47 second long recording. If you notice any "California Stops", I don't normally because I drive like that (California Stops.)

Remember that FSD Beta is a driver assist system AND NOT AUTONOMOUS. As the operator of the vehicle, I remain in control and responsible for the drive.

 

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Here is the first drive of 2021...

I was going to edit it down to bite-size chunks, but figure that a 5:30 minute drive would be cool.

It starts off on the same street as the previously posted drive. It decides to take the right instead of the left. There is a disengagement because the car went through a big dip in the road, and the resistance against my hands forced the disengagement.

After that, it does a great left from a light (but it was an unprotected left) so that was cool. I then forced it to go to the middle lane, a lane that the right lane would eventually merge into. It had trouble with that merge, but that's all good because we do want to get these use cases out so that Tesla can learn from it. And that was the last disengagement.

 

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The latest video...

Here's another comparison for that curve that I've been testing...

Here is the video from 2021-01-02. The hope is that the car will make that right turn at the end of the curve. It's a stop sign and the first two times it had trouble with it...


attempt 1 (2020-12-19):


attempt 2(2020-12-27):

[This one was impressive in the daytime as it may not have done the stop sign, but did a great job driving around bicyclists.]

 

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I released this short video last night. It's from 2021.01.05 at 2:25 PM PST.

This shows it handling a few stop signs before getting on the highway and then proceeding on its drive on EAP.

 

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I just posted this next one from 2021-01-05... It's the latest drive to show the car handle traffic lights, and turn left (at a light) onto the Freeway.

It's my third attempt (and recorded) on this current release of software!

2021-01-05 (release 2020.48.26.1):


Here are links to the PREVIOUS attempts:

First - 2020-12-17 evening (release 2020.48.10.1)

Second - 2020-12-24 afternoon (release 2020.48.12.15)

 

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Just published this little video (4:34 minutes) on a new route.

A few things to pay attention to:

1) first disengagement was initiated by me as the car was exiting EAP to FSD Beta through a construction zone. I got nervous of the wall, so I took over. I re-engaged after.

2) next I noticed that the car was driving BELOW the speed limit, and we think it might be because of the Sun. It was quite blinding for myself and my passenger.

3) I wanted to see how the car handled the weird curve at the end of the road, and that ended in a disengagement. Bookmarking this drive for future improvement.

 

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Here are two videos that I shared on social media last night.

Since I started on @Tesla #FSDBeta program, I kept trying this curve to a 🛑 near me.

2020-12-19 -


2020-12-27 -


2021-01-02 -


2021-01-05 - second try on 2020.48.26.1 (this time with a bit more sunlight) success:


Will need to test it in the evening again, but this shows some incremental improvement WITHIN the same release.

Also, released last night was this video of the car taking TWO lefts into my neighborhood.

I had a neighbor and her big a$$ pickup behind me, so I did assist the vehicle with the accelerator, and it performed the lefts with some assistance.


All of the most recent examples was from 2021-01-05.

Please let me know if these are helpful to share here...
 

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Any chance you can try ignoring the nags until it takes over? Be interesting to see if FSD reacts differently to regular AP.
 

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Any chance you can try ignoring the nags until it takes over? Be interesting to see if FSD reacts differently to regular AP.
I have done that, just not on video... I'll see if I can re-create in a future video.

I got "locked out" of turning it on, like what happens on AP.
 

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I have done that, just not on video... I'll see if I can re-create in a future video.

I got "locked out" of turning it on, like what happens on AP.
Ah, shame. Was hoping that the car would pull over safely & park rather than just slow & stop as today
 

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Ah, shame. Was hoping that the car would pull over safely & park rather than just slow & stop as today
At least in most surface streets, the speeds are a lot slower than in highway speeds.
 

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My own opinion is, and no inside knowledge whatsoever, is that all OEMs benefit more in selling us "autonomy-lite" features and keep the liability with the operator.

Frankly, I prefer to do some HUMAN driving as EVs are entirely too much fun to drive. My old civic hybrid would have been great to drive me around as it was purely a commuter vehicle and its redeeming qualities was minimized gasoline/petrol consumption and access to high occupancy vehicle lanes. The moment I started driving an electric motor propelled vehicle, it re-invigorated fun driving by multiples above ICE vehicles.
If its just driver assist then its worth nowhere near the money.

I wrote an article about the path to value and I see it as proper, hands and minds off autonomy but initially only motorways in the UK, payage in the rest of Europe, whatever the US equivalent is, where you may be driving boring safe roads for long distances. Let the driver do the first and final mile to get to the motorway and the car do the bit in the middle. It would be like driving to a railway station and catching a train. The advantage of this approach is the roads are much more predictable and generally much safer, and in the event that the system can't (road closure, roadworks) then the driver is there to hand back (which is definitely level 3 and arguably level 4). . If they could crack that and get approval and sort out the legal and insurance aspects they'd have created the wedge that opens this up for everything else. I just don't see the advantage of self driving in built up areas in the short term except for picking you up from the pub drunk and I wouldn't pay 7k for than in the uk $10k when a cab costs less than £10.

So for me, Tesla are working on the wrong thing with urban cruise plus they risk massive backlash every time a 8 year old runs out from behind a parked car and gets run over even if no person or computer could have possibly avoided it. It might look cool seeing cars turn across oncoming traffic etc but and appeal to some, but unless they achieve mind off autopilot (and lets face it, thats the promise with robotaxi, cross country driving, summon the car from anywhere, it goes and parks itself etc etc is what they are promising) its going to take a long long time coming.
 
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