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Had my Leaf 30 for 18 months now and delighted with it, it has really been an excellent vehicle, I own it so its not PCP. However there are some very tempting offers on the Leaf 40 coming up, our dealer has 2 in stock and has already dropped the price. I think I would be looking at PCP this time.

The main reason to upgrade would be range - our most frequent journey is to see our children in London, just over 100 miles so needs a charge on the way in the 30. Secondary are the features in the 40 including ProPilot, the safety features in particular, plus a bit more space, bigger boot etc.

Any thoughts? Especially from anyone who has recently bought a 40 - improvements over the 30 etc???
 

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I have had my leaf 40 for a year now and am very happy with it, like you i do a regular trip of 100 mile and i can do this all year round without charging on the way. ProPilot is brilliant, it makes the trips a lot less tiring for me which can olny be a good thing when your hurtling down the motoway, make no mistake it's no Tesla AutoPilot but not bad for nissan's first attempt, i have found it works better than Nissan say it does, but am assuming that's for legal reasons.
 

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I too have had my Leaf 40kWh for over a year now and am delighted with it. Since it's my first EV, I can't compare with the the 30, or recommend an upgrade based on my experience.

All I can say is, if you have done the sums and you do decide to upgrade, you won't regret it. Maybe your dealer will give you a good trade-in discount on your 30.

Don't forget if you have a tethered charge point at home, you will need to change from a Type 1 to a Type 2 cable.
 

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I too have had my Leaf 40kWh for over a year now and am delighted with it. Since it's my first EV, I can't compare with the the 30, or recommend an upgrade based on my experience.

All I can say is, if you have done the sums and you do decide to upgrade, you won't regret it. Maybe your dealer will give you a good trade-in discount on your 30.

Don't forget if you have a tethered charge point at home, you will need to change from a Type 1 to a Type 2 cable.
Good point on the charge point - thanks for that!
 

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I have had my leaf 40 for a year now and am very happy with it, like you i do a regular trip of 100 mile and i can do this all year round without charging on the way. ProPilot is brilliant, it makes the trips a lot less tiring for me which can olny be a good thing when your hurtling down the motoway, make no mistake it's no Tesla AutoPilot but not bad for nissan's first attempt, i have found it works better than Nissan say it does, but am assuming that's for legal reasons.
Thanks! There is some stuff on the Leaf 40 group about emergency braking being triggered accidentally (if that's not a contradiction!) which I was a bit worried about. Also I'm assuming that you have had no problems with the battery getting hot after a rapid charge?
 

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Thanks! There is some stuff on the Leaf 40 group about emergency braking being triggered accidentally (if that's not a contradiction!) which I was a bit worried about. Also I'm assuming that you have had no problems with the battery getting hot after a rapid charge?
I have had the emergency braking trigger accidentally only a couple of times, but from what i read it's not limited to the leaf but other nissan's as well, other than that no problems (Touch wood) I have never been on a trip where i have needed to rapid charge more than twice in a row and had no problems, but i found out my car has the latest battery firmware on it that made a diffrence to charging speeds on multi rapids.
 

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Thanks! There is some stuff on the Leaf 40 group about emergency braking being triggered accidentally (if that's not a contradiction!) which I was a bit worried about. Also I'm assuming that you have had no problems with the battery getting hot after a rapid charge?
I have had my LEAF 40 (2 Zero) since April 2018 (16 Months) and covered nearly 19K miles, Brilliant car, that's a joy to drive, really well bolted together car, no rattles at all.

The only issue I have had other than the BMS software update, is that the drive shafts had to be re-greased with a silicon based grease, this was done under warranty and I have had no issues since, hopefully they will have sorted this out now for the vehicles coming off the production line

I have not experienced any problem with rogue auto breaking, its luck of the draw with some of these things.

The battery does get very hot (50°c) after 2 rapid charges and driving 200 miles at moderate motorway speeds, however its not a show stopper, just duck in behind a wagon at 58 mph, use the auto pilot and auto steering and relax, the battery temperature does reduce, using this method.
As long as the battery is not in the red (over 50°c) I have always been able to get to 90% SOC in 45 minutes on a rapid, since the BMS software update.

Well worth up grading to the LEAF 40, range is everything, especially in the winter and additionally when the battery capacity reduces with age. The extra power of the LEAF 40 also makes overtaking easier and safer.

One note of caution, if you are buying a new LEAF, make sure that it is a LEAF 3 with the new Satnav, and not the old model they have in stock, that they are trying to move on at a discount. Its a larger screen and you get free over the air updates with the new model, there are no free satnav up dates with the older model, one of my gripes.
 

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I have had my LEAF 40 (2 Zero) since April 2018 (16 Months) and covered nearly 19K miles, Brilliant car, that's a joy to drive, really well bolted together car, no rattles at all.

The only issue I have had other than the BMS software update, is that the drive shafts had to be re-greased with a silicon based grease, this was done under warranty and I have had no issues since, hopefully they will have sorted this out now for the vehicles coming off the production line

I have not experienced any problem with rogue auto breaking, its luck of the draw with some of these things.

The battery does get very hot (50°c) after 2 rapid charges and driving 200 miles at moderate motorway speeds, however its not a show stopper, just duck in behind a wagon at 58 mph, use the auto pilot and auto steering and relax, the battery temperature does reduce, using this method.
As long as the battery is not in the red (over 50°c) I have always been able to get to 90% SOC in 45 minutes on a rapid, since the BMS software update.

Well worth up grading to the LEAF 40, range is everything, especially in the winter and additionally when the battery capacity reduces with age. The extra power of the LEAF 40 also makes overtaking easier and safer.

One note of caution, if you are buying a new LEAF, make sure that it is a LEAF 3 with the new Satnav, and not the old model they have in stock, that they are trying to move on at a discount. Its a larger screen and you get free over the air updates with the new model, there are no free satnav up dates with the older model, one of my gripes.
Thanks dave - very helpful!
 

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I can recommend the Leaf 40. I upgraded for a Leaf 24. The 40 feels like a different car. Quieter, faster, better put together and a really nice place to be. I have driven 360 miles in one day, from Cumbria close to Scotland down to South London. I rapid charged 3 times plus a splash & dash. The charge times did reduce a little, but not significantly. Three full 45 minutes sessions on Ecotricity's chargers plus about 10 minutes.

Range is generally around 150 miles at this time of year, though I did drive into a headwind at 70mph indicated (66/67 actual) on Saturday and used 90% to travel 115 miles, at 4 miles/kWh average.

Worst was 114 miles form full to about 6 miles past the start of the ---% !!! That was during Storm Gareth. Worst possible driving conditions.

However, I am now selling my Leaf 40 Tekna after 23,000 miles & 17months and getting another EV that is bigger.

 

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I had a pause in my considerations to have a serious look at the MG, but have concluded that although it is cheaper it does have some serious disadvantages over the Leaf. These include poor safety rating, difficult to access charge point (may seem trivial but my PodPoint is in a damp dark corner of the drive) definitely noisier and ride not so comfortable and finally no app (now I am using My Leaf, which actually works!). So I am looking at dealer prices for 40KWh - I really do not fancy lugging the extra weight of the 60 KWh around with me- and there do seem to be good offers around including an extra loyalty bonus from Nissan ( smart move bearing in mind the cheapness of the MG).
 

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Hard one. I have not done a test drive on the MG, although it looks at least a bit appealing. I have booked the ID.3 1st edition, but may not g
I had a pause in my considerations to have a serious look at the MG, but have concluded that although it is cheaper it does have some serious disadvantages over the Leaf. These include poor safety rating, difficult to access charge point (may seem trivial but my PodPoint is in a damp dark corner of the drive) definitely noisier and ride not so comfortable and finally no app (now I am using My Leaf, which actually works!). So I am looking at dealer prices for 40KWh - I really do not fancy lugging the extra weight of the 60 KWh around with me- and there do seem to be good offers around including an extra loyalty bonus from Nissan ( smart move bearing in mind the cheapness of the MG).
Hard one. I have not done a test drive on the MG, although it looks at least a bit appealing. I have booked the ID.3 1st edition, but may not go through if spec is too poor.

The LEAF 40 is a fine car...but I do have issues - see my previous posts.

I think the charging speed is now more important to me than range, when range (this was my first EV) was a deciding factor when I ordered my car (delivered July 2018) car in February 2018.

For longer trips I really don't trust 150 miles (realistic range) together with the UK charging infrastructure and LEAF charging speed so I keep an ICE car as well as the LEAF for now.

I do not think the LEAF 60 brings a lot to the party as it still does not have battery temperature management.
 

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If you do trade in your 30 kWh you may find an EV specialist will give you a better price for your car as a straight sale rather than a trade-in price at the dealer where you are getting the replacement car. I sold my 24 kWh LEAF that way when I replaced it with an i3 and for a little more leg-work and effort ended up with a lower turn-over cost.

Dealers don't always want to take trade-in cars because of cash flow and space for slow moving stock so you might get a better price on the replacement car by not being a trade-in buyer. Best wishes.
 

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I can recommend the Leaf 40. I upgraded for a Leaf 24. The 40 feels like a different car. Quieter, faster, better put together and a really nice place to be. I have driven 360 miles in one day, from Cumbria close to Scotland down to South London. I rapid charged 3 times plus a splash & dash. The charge times did reduce a little, but not significantly. Three full 45 minutes sessions on Ecotricity's chargers plus about 10 minutes.

Range is generally around 150 miles at this time of year, though I did drive into a headwind at 70mph indicated (66/67 actual) on Saturday and used 90% to travel 115 miles, at 4 miles/kWh average.

Worst was 114 miles form full to about 6 miles past the start of the ---% !!! That was during Storm Gareth. Worst possible driving conditions.

However, I am now selling my Leaf 40 Tekna after 23,000 miles & 17months and getting another EV that is bigger.

I can wholeheartedly support your comments. The Leaf40 is a great car. I have recently test driven the Ioniq and MG ZS and neither match up.

Rapid gate is in my view overblown. Yes, on 300 mile journeys in the height of summer I have seen some loss of charge speed but this has been a few occasions in 19000 miles, and noticeable because it is normally so consistent. The new Ioniq seems slower from the start!

We are now looking at replacing our diesel with a second EV as my wife and I both want to take the Leaf each day. With three young children and driving to our holidays, we also value space.

We have looked at the MG ZS which is big, great seats and cheap, however also seems a bit rough around the edges. No charge scheduling, no pre-heat, no regen in cruise control, no middle headrest, no heat pump, no climate control, and really loud annoying warning bongs!

Lots of top-end features at a great price, but also lacking some basics that don’t cost much. It feels like a downgrade from the Leaf :/

I had been wanting to ask you about your thoughts, Mike, coming from a Leaf40.
 

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I can wholeheartedly support your comments. The Leaf40 is a great car. I have recently test driven the Ioniq and MG ZS and neither match up.

Rapid gate is in my view overblown. Yes, on 300 mile journeys in the height of summer I have seen some loss of charge speed but this has been a few occasions in 19000 miles, and noticeable because it is normally so consistent. The new Ioniq seems slower from the start!

We are now looking at replacing our diesel with a second EV as my wife and I both want to take the Leaf each day. With three young children and driving to our holidays, we also value space.

We have looked at the MG ZS which is big, great seats and cheap, however also seems a bit rough around the edges. No charge scheduling, no pre-heat, no regen in cruise control, no middle headrest, no heat pump, no climate control, and really loud annoying warning bongs!

Lots of top-end features at a great price, but also lacking some basics that don’t cost much. It feels like a downgrade from the Leaf :/

I had been wanting to ask you about your thoughts, Mike, coming from a Leaf40.
I see the MG more as a side step from the Leaf 40. Similar range & performance. The big attractions to me are it’s an SUV and easier to get in and out of. It has a water cooled battery for my longer trips, the boot is bigger and the higher driving position is great. My last 2 ice were SUV (Yeti & Freelander) and miss that.
I use an Ohme cable for home charging so don’t need timers. When it works, the app controlled pre heat on the Leaf is nice, but is so unreliable. As my leave home time is not consistent the car climate timers are of no use to me.
MG Pilot, untested by me sounds very similar to ProPilot.
The suspension is soft, which I like.

Overall the MG will suit me fine.
 

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I see the MG more as a side step from the Leaf 40. Similar range & performance. The big attractions to me are it’s an SUV and easier to get in and out of. It has a water cooled battery for my longer trips, the boot is bigger and the higher driving position is great. My last 2 ice were SUV (Yeti & Freelander) and miss that.
I use an Ohme cable for home charging so don’t need timers. When it works, the app controlled pre heat on the Leaf is nice, but is so unreliable. As my leave home time is not consistent the car climate timers are of no use to me.
MG Pilot, untested by me sounds very similar to ProPilot.
The suspension is soft, which I like.

Overall the MG will suit me fine.
The MG pilot was quite good, however the lane keep assist gives loud, annoying bongs on dropping out (which it does far more than Leaf). It also accelerates up to cars and then brakes hard, it doesn't seem to look as far forward as the Leaf. It left me constantly wanting to intervene.

On the other hand, it performed better than the Ioniq which doesn't hold lane and where the cruise control sometimes didn't slow for stationary traffic.

So better than Ioniq, worse than leaf was my view of Pilot (the Ioniq is, however, otherwise a very refined car).
 

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One further question I do have is will Nissan/OLEV pay to upgrade my type 1 tethered Pod-Point to type 2 When I buy a 40KWh??
 

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One further question I do have is will Nissan/OLEV pay to upgrade my type 1 tethered Pod-Point to type 2 When I buy a 40KWh??
I have answered my question from another thread. It is not surprisingly no - I think I should have gone for a Type 2 socket in the first place.
 

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I have answered my question from another thread. It is not surprisingly no - I think I should have gone for a Type 2 socket in the first place.
I was going to rewire my own. It looks a lot easier to replace the whole cable with plug attached so might do that. 5m one is about £90.

You can't really get much cheaper than that. The plugs are about £60 on their own.

Edit: I'm going to ask for the OLEV grant for a new charger though, see what happens. The argument that the charger I have isn't compatible with the car might work if they let you have two if you have two cars.
 

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I was going to rewire my own. It looks a lot easier to replace the whole cable with plug attached so might do that. 5m one is about £90.

You can't really get much cheaper than that. The plugs are about £60 on their own.

Edit: I'm going to ask for the OLEV grant for a new charger though, see what happens. The argument that the charger I have isn't compatible with the car might work if they let you have two if you have two cars.
OLEV allows you to have 2 chargers per household.
 
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