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2013 (13) Citroen C-Zero


16kWh BATTERY OWNED vehicle. Excellent condition inside and out. 50k miles. FULL SERVICE HISTORY.

Maximum range estimate: 50 miles in winter 70 miles in summer*.

The 3.7kW on-board charger / 40kW CHAdeMO Rapid Charge Port enables you to charge the battery in around 7 hours with a 3-pin charging cable, 4.5 hours with a 7kW dedicated EV Charging Point, or 40 minutes with a 50kW Rapid charging point, costing £2.40 in electricity (based on an electricity price of 15p per kWh unit).

This C-Zero, including the 3pin – Type 1 Charging Cable is for sale at £4,995.
We also offer this car with our We Are EV Complete Package for £5,695.


The complete package for this car includes:
  • Home Charging Point Installation Assessment
  • Pod-Point 7kW Home Charging Point Installation (terms and conditions apply)
  • Type 1 – Type 2 Charging Cable

*Real world range results will vary depending on factors such as: The amount of charge in the battery when setting off, air conditioning and heater use, weather conditions, driving style, vehicle load and route driven.

At We Are EV, we are genuine electric vehicle specialists and enthusiasts. For your complete peace of mind, we will ensure you have everything you need to enjoy your new electric vehicle.

VIEWINGS ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY - EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS AVAILABLE.


Finance and Part Exchange available on request.

Please get in touch if you would like to view a car, or if you have any questions about electric vehicles and charging.

We are located in Bristol, JUST OFF THE M5 CRIBBS CAUSEWAY JUNCTION 17.

Tel. 0117 251 0015
08:00 - 20:00. 7 days a week
 

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2013 (13) Citroen C-Zero


16kWh BATTERY OWNED vehicle. Excellent condition inside and out. 50k miles. FULL SERVICE HISTORY.

Maximum range estimate: 50 miles in winter 70 miles in summer*.

The 3.7kW/40kW on-board charger, charges the battery from 0-100% in around 7 hours with a 3-pin charging cable, 4.5 hours with a 7kW dedicated EV Charging Point, or 40 minutes with a 50kW Rapid charging point, costing £2.40 in electricity (based on an electricity price of 15p per kWh unit).

This C-Zero, including the 3pin – Type 1 Charging Cable is for sale at £5,495.
We also offer this car with our We Are EV Complete Package for £6,175.


The complete package for this car includes:
  • Home Charging Point Installation Assessment
  • Pod-Point 7kW Home Charging Point Installation (terms and conditions apply)
  • Type 1 – Type 2 Charging Cable

*Real world range results will vary depending on factors such as: The amount of charge in the battery when setting off, air conditioning and heater use, weather conditions, driving style, vehicle load and route driven.

At We Are EV, we are genuine electric vehicle specialists and enthusiasts. For your complete peace of mind, we will ensure you have everything you need to enjoy your new electric vehicle.

VIEWINGS ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY - EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS AVAILABLE.

Finance and Part Exchange available on request.

Please get in touch if you would like to view a car, or if you have any questions about electric vehicles and charging.

We are located in Bristol, JUST OFF THE M5 CRIBBS CAUSEWAY JUNCTION 17.

Tel. 0117 251 0015
08:00 - 20:00. 7 days a week
Why advertise it with a 40kW onboard charger?

Worth a call to Trading STDs?
 

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2013 (13) Citroen C-Zero


16kWh BATTERY OWNED vehicle. Excellent condition inside and out. 50k miles. FULL SERVICE HISTORY.

Maximum range estimate: 50 miles in winter 70 miles in summer*.

The 3.7kW/40kW on-board charger, charges the battery from 0-100% in around 7 hours with a 3-pin charging cable, 4.5 hours with a 7kW dedicated EV Charging Point, or 40 minutes with a 50kW Rapid charging point, costing £2.40 in electricity (based on an electricity price of 15p per kWh unit).

This C-Zero, including the 3pin – Type 1 Charging Cable is for sale at £5,495.
We also offer this car with our We Are EV Complete Package for £6,175.


The complete package for this car includes:
  • Home Charging Point Installation Assessment
  • Pod-Point 7kW Home Charging Point Installation (terms and conditions apply)
  • Type 1 – Type 2 Charging Cable

*Real world range results will vary depending on factors such as: The amount of charge in the battery when setting off, air conditioning and heater use, weather conditions, driving style, vehicle load and route driven.

At We Are EV, we are genuine electric vehicle specialists and enthusiasts. For your complete peace of mind, we will ensure you have everything you need to enjoy your new electric vehicle.

VIEWINGS ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY - EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS AVAILABLE.

Finance and Part Exchange available on request.

Please get in touch if you would like to view a car, or if you have any questions about electric vehicles and charging.

We are located in Bristol, JUST OFF THE M5 CRIBBS CAUSEWAY JUNCTION 17.

Tel. 0117 251 0015
08:00 - 20:00. 7 days a week
More falsehoods in this advert, battery capacity🙄
 

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Thank you for your constructive criticism.

The C-Zero Owners Handbook states the battery capacity as 16kWh (see pic). Are we missing something?

We apologise for any confusion over the issue of the charger being 'on-board'. We are now in the process of changing the wording in our adverts and removing the words 'on-board' from the charging information. I hope that goes someway towards addressing your concerns. To re-assure you, we have not had any customers mention this to us or report that they have misunderstood our adverts.

'On-board charger' has been, and still is, a commonly used term by manufacturers and the media for describing vehicle charging systems (see attached from Nissan).

It would be interesting to hear what Trading Standards have to say about it. Should you wish to contact them, you can do so here:

T. 0808 223 1133

If you do contact them, please keep us informed. We would be happy to take 'on-board' any suggestions they may have about how to make our advertising clearer for our potential customers.

Also, interestingly, according to the CHAdeMO association, the Nissan text has the incorrect capitalisation of CHAdeMO. We were using the same capitalisation as Nissan but are now correcting our advertising to amend this oversight.
 

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Last time I checked the latest Peugeot/Citroen documentation still stated 16kwh when its 14.5kwh for later cars (apart from the later i-mievs that kept the full 16kwh). This car might just be a later one but if Peugeot/Citroen cant even get it right then how is anyone else meant to know!

Good luck with the sale, the price isn't bad and they are great little cars.

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Thank you for your constructive criticism.

The C-Zero Owners Handbook states the battery capacity as 16kWh (see pic). Are we missing something?

We apologise for any confusion over the issue of the charger being 'on-board'. We are now in the process of changing the wording in our adverts and removing the words 'on-board' from the charging information. I hope that goes someway towards addressing your concerns. To re-assure you, we have not had any customers mention this to us or report that they have misunderstood our adverts.

'On-board charger' has been, and still is, a commonly used term by manufacturers and the media for describing vehicle charging systems (see attached from Nissan).

It would be interesting to hear what Trading Standards have to say about it. Should you wish to contact them, you can do so here:

T. 0808 223 1133

If you do contact them, please keep us informed. We would be happy to take 'on-board' any suggestions they may have about how to make our advertising clearer for our potential customers.

Also, interestingly, according to the CHAdeMO association, the Nissan text has the incorrect capitalisation of CHAdeMO. We were using the same capitalisation as Nissan but are now correcting our advertising to amend this oversight.
You have a legal duty to ensure your adverts are factually correct: suggest you confirm the battery capacity directly with the vehicle manufacturer.
 

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We appreciate that it is our duty to ensure our adverts are factually correct, but we don't see an issue with advertising the same battery capacity figure that the manufacturer does.

The manufacturer states it's 16kWh. If someone can point us towards some official information stating otherwise that would be great. There are some third party websites that suggest 14.5kWh 'useable' and some that say it 15kWh. They must be rounding it up, or maybe down? We prefer to state what the manufacturer states. What about the BMW i3? The 94Ah is supposed to be a 33kWh pack with 27kWh 'useable'. The Nissan Leaf 24kWh is estimated to have a 'useable' capacity of 22kWh but no-one refers to a 24kWh Leaf as a 22kWh. If we started quoting 'useable' battery capacity then this would be misleading as it wouldn't take into account any degredation. State of health and 'capacity' figures can go up as well as down. We could check the SOH of all of our cars on a daily basis and then to be 'factually correct' adjust our advertising every day, to report the precise capacity of the battery at that moment in time but we don't believe that would be time well spent. We are happy to provide SOH figures to our customers but advise that there are other factors that also determine the present capacity of the battery.

Anecdotal figures that are not backed up by manufacturers literature could be misleading which is why, when it comes to battery capacity, we prefer to go with the manufacturers figures to make it easier for our customers to compare vehicles with others for sale. The Kia Soul is another good example. Some dealers advertise the later models as 33kWh when there is no manufacturers data to back this figure up. Kia state it's 30kWh. That's not to say 33kWh isn't true, it might well be 33kWh, or 31.5 kWh or for all we know any number around there, but unless we see it in writing from the manufacturer, then for consistency, we will stick to their quoted numbers.
 

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We appreciate that it is our duty to ensure our adverts are factually correct, but we don't see an issue with advertising the same battery capacity figure that the manufacturer does.

The manufacturer states it's 16kWh. If someone can point us towards some official information stating otherwise that would be great. There are some third party websites that suggest 14.5kWh 'useable' and some that say it 15kWh. They must be rounding it up, or maybe down? We prefer to state what the manufacturer states. What about the BMW i3? The 94Ah is supposed to be a 33kWh pack with 27kWh 'useable'. The Nissan Leaf 24kWh is estimated to have a 'useable' capacity of 22kWh but no-one refers to a 24kWh Leaf as a 22kWh. If we started quoting 'useable' battery capacity then this would be misleading as it wouldn't take into account any degredation. State of health and 'capacity' figures can go up as well as down. We could check the SOH of all of our cars on a daily basis and then to be 'factually correct' adjust our advertising every day, to report the precise capacity of the battery at that moment in time but we don't believe that would be time well spent. We are happy to provide SOH figures to our customers but advise that there are other factors that also determine the present capacity of the battery.

Anecdotal figures that are not backed up by manufacturers literature could be misleading which is why, when it comes to battery capacity, we prefer to go with the manufacturers figures to make it easier for our customers to compare vehicles with others for sale. The Kia Soul is another good example. Some dealers advertise the later models as 33kWh when there is no manufacturers data to back this figure up. Kia state it's 30kWh. That's not to say 33kWh isn't true, it might well be 33kWh, or 31.5 kWh or for all we know any number around there, but unless we see it in writing from the manufacturer, then for consistency, we will stick to their quoted numbers.
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Useable is about 12.5kWhr
About 12.5kWh? That's not particularly precise. How do you know that's the figure? Believe me, we're genuinely interested. Do you have some literature you can share with us? If you are trying to help then please can you actually help, rather than just quoting figures and expecting us to somehow know something that clearly isn't that simple to verify.
 

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About 12.5kWh? That's not particularly precise. How do you know that's the figure? Believe me, we're genuinely interested. Do you have some literature you can share with us? If you are trying to help then please can you actually help, rather than just quoting figures and expecting us to somehow know something that clearly isn't that simple to verify.
How many cells does the car have. What is the current. AHr capacity. Canion will give you both numbers. Then you can precisely advertise the NEW manufacturers battery capacity and the current state of health if you wish. As per G A R Y, PSA saw fit to reduce the new notional capacity of these cars compared to iMiev.
 

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How many cells does the car have. What is the current. AHr capacity. Canion will give you both numbers. Then you can precisely advertise the NEW manufacturers battery capacity and the current state of health if you wish. As per G A R Y, PSA saw fit to reduce the new notional capacity of these cars compared to iMiev.
For anyone in the know, a 14.5 kWhr battery will be worth more than a 16kWhr version so getting the advert correct is in your favour.
 

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Thanks for the additional info. We'll certainly look into it. A large percentage of our customers are not 'in the know'. The majority are buying their first EV and so far all of them have appreciated our attention to detail, help and advice. The more we know about our stock the better so your input is appreciated. Out of interest, how would a 14.5kWh battery be worth more than a 16kWh version? I'm struggling to think how we would explain that to a customer...
 

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How many cells does the car have. What is the current. AHr capacity. Canion will give you both numbers. Then you can precisely advertise the NEW manufacturers battery capacity and the current state of health if you wish. As per G A R Y, PSA saw fit to reduce the new notional capacity of these cars compared to iMiev.
Well you’re going to be a busy little elf over the holidays, correcting all those Renault Zoe adverts that mis-state a 52 kWh battery as a 50 kWh one.

And what about them Teslas eh? Lying bastards.

Report the lot to trading standards!
 
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