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Noob question here about my pending Model 3. It has a CCS port, but the top part of the CCS port is the Type 2 / Tesla part. Given that Model S's etc have only this part, does this mean that the Model 3 can use either charge cable at the Tesla Superchargers? And if not, why not?

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No, the Model S/X has a modified type 2 port. When the supercharger type 2 cable is connected it switches from AC to DC. The supercharger cable itself only supplies DC. That way the one type 2 connector can do both.

If plugged into a M3 nothing will happen and will probably just throw an error
 

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Technically Superchargers aren’t CCS. They just use the CCS or Type 2 plug.
Are we definitely sure on that? Only reason I ask, if Tesla were to open up the charging network to other parties, surely it would be easier if that was a standard CCS plug. I don't know the answer but would genuinely like to know.
If it's not a CCS / Type 2 how does it work on outside networks?
 

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So far my limited experience of supercharging (keele s/b on friday evening, keele n/b sunday afternoon) is that MS/MX owners are unaware of the CCS situation.

I parked up at keele NB on one of the two CCS stalls (4B) and plugged in. A friendly and helpful X owner immediately came over and asked if I knew about the charge sharing because there was a model S on 4A. I explained that yes I did, but only 4A and 4B had the CCS cables and I could not use the others, so it was actually the model S owner that needed to move (as 2A/B and 3A/B were empty). He didn't realise that the 3 could not use the others.

Then the Model S owner returned and I said (nicely!) to him that we'd both get a better charge rate (as I was only at 28kW) if he moved to another stall because I couldn't use any others, he merely replied "No, no, it's all good"....

Tesla should have a message set up in Model S/X to encourage owners to plug into a non-CCS stall if an unpaired one is available. However, that would be a temporary fix, because the real fix is to put CCS on all of them - especially somewhere like keele (where only 2 CCS available out of 8 stalls northbound).
 

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Are we definitely sure on that? Only reason I ask, if Tesla were to open up the charging network to other parties, surely it would be easier if that was a standard CCS plug. I don't know the answer but would genuinely like to know.
If it's not a CCS / Type 2 how does it work on outside networks?
Pretty sure, at least from the protocol standpoint.

I believe the issue for third party usage is they’d need to support the proprietary Supercharger protocols in order to use the network.

Of course the Model 3 supports the CCS standard as well, but we were talking about the Supercharger network here. :)
 

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if I knew about the charge sharing
Wait, this is news to me - so 2 x Teslas charging next to eachother half the charge rate?! That's not good at all, there's going to be thousands of us very soon. A charge rate of 28Kw is hopeless for a long trip.
 

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Wait, this is news to me - so 2 x Teslas charging next to eachother half the charge rate?! That's not good at all, there's going to be thousands of us very soon. A charge rate of 28Kw is hopeless for a long trip.
Not quite.

The first car has priority on the charge and gets full power. The second one on the pair gets a lower charge until the first one tapers off.

In practice it doesn’t last very long so long as everyone is sensible.
 

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Didn't I here with the new V3 that basically everyone will get full power whether sharing or not? Bjorn I think...
 

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In practice it doesn’t last very long so long as everyone is sensible.
Indeed - but my point was that it seems that some MS/MX owners are not aware of the CCS caveat and thus don't figure this into their thinking. There were 4 other stalls that the MS could have selected at the time when he arrived (ie unshared non-CCS stalls) that would have meant that I wasn't rate limited.

I didn't press on him to move because I only needed a few % in order to make sure I'd make my full journey without having to slow down and I got what I needed by the time I'd gone for a pee, even at 28kW (picked up about 10% SoC).

Didn't I here with the new V3 that basically everyone will get full power whether sharing or not? Bjorn I think...
There's no sharing with V3 - all stalls fully powered.
 

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I think there's a few potentially confusing comments, maybe just the way I read them.
Indeed - but my point was that it seems that some MS/MX owners are not aware of the CCS caveat and thus don't figure this into their thinking. There were 4 other stalls that the MS could have selected at the time when he arrived (ie unshared non-CCS stalls) that would have meant that I wasn't rate limited.

I didn't press on him to move because I only needed a few % in order to make sure I'd make my full journey without having to slow down and I got what I needed by the time I'd gone for a pee, even at 28kW (picked up about 10% SoC).



There's no sharing with V3 - all stalls fully powered.
Which just means the roll out will take a long time in the UK as the power supply to superchargers is already the limiting factor in many locations, its not a case of turn up with a new box of tricks.
 

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Many of the stations are fully converted. I’m guessing they roll them out to all stations in due course.
Some are, but provision up the M6 is very poor - 2 @ Keele, 2 @ Charnock Richard, 2 @ Tebay.

Which just means the roll out will take a long time in the UK as the power supply to superchargers is already the limiting factor in many locations, its not a case of turn up with a new box of tricks.
Obviously overall site limiting may apply, but there's no shared inverters in V3. I believe that V3 will generally be supported by PowerPack installations so that network connections do not need to be increased.

I also don't understand why they are not using the "Model 3 priority" stickers on them like the used to use in the US.
They never used such stickers in the USA. Model 3 has the same charge port as S/X in USA - there's no such thing as a dual-cable supercharger there.
 

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When you think a current charger pair share about 130-150kw, and if a V3 charger needs something like 250kw for one, the site capacity would reduce by 1/3 to a 1/4 without the feed being improved - powerpacks would need to be massive and they already apply diversity in the calcs which a powerpack essentially helps smooth
 
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