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You'll need a Schneider Type-3 to access the chargers at most Renault garages, in France! It will cost £400+
 

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Yup, it can charge a Zoe in 10 hours when charging at 14A, at 10A the claim is 25km added in 3 hours, which is 11.9% of the NEDC range of 210km. This suggests over 25 hours for a full charge in the UK. Hmm...
 

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We've had debase on here before about the obsolescence of 13 amp plug. For some (me included) it is a last resort. I had to use it a lot - one year ago. But with the advent of rapid chargers, I've been able to give it a miss for the last 6 months. I rather feel that Renault are making an apology here for not having a effective charging infrastructure in place. However, connecting an EV to ancient French domestic wiring - is likely to lead to accidents!
 

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We've had debase on here before about the obsolescence of 13 amp plug. For some (me included) it is a last resort. I had to use it a lot - one year ago. But with the advent of rapid chargers, I've been able to give it a miss for the last 6 months. I rather feel that Renault are making an apology here for not having a effective charging infrastructure in place. However, connecting an EV to ancient French domestic wiring - is likely to lead to accidents!
I was reading the other post you have been talking on and I did not no that 13a charging is dangerous.
 

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It isn't dangerous if it is done correctly but if not then it can be particularly if the cabling is old or not in good condition as in an older house or on a ring main with other loads. If you have a circuit that is dedicated to car charging and nothing else and it is relatively new and properly installed and inspected then it is probably fine. However, it is worth remembering that 13A circuits in a normal house are not intended for regular continuous 10A+ for hours on end. They can get warm or even hot in the wrong circumstances. I have even seen a 13A plug melted and I have had to stop charging my Nissan Leaf at 10A at my sister-in-law's because the socket was heating up!

Be careful and sensible and it is likely to be fine at 10A.

I always recommend that 13A circuits are not used for regular charging. if you are regularly charging an EV that a dedicated circuit is used along with a proper EV charging station. It is OK for emergency or occasional use on a non-dedicated circuit (say at a friend or family house) if you are careful and monitor it. I wouldn't plug in my car at a house I am not 100% sure of and just go to bed. I would check on it a few times first and make sure nothing is burning or getting too hot.
 

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Well that don't sound safe to me. I used a Nissan for a weekend about 3months ago, and I did just that I plugged it in and left it 11hours to charge as Nissan never told me to be careful as it could heat up.
 

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How can it bypass the Chameleon charger? I didn't think the Zoe had another charger in the car so wouldn't it have to use the Chameleon charger?
I was reading a post about this when they first starting talking about when the new cable was coming out and they said in the post that it will by pass the Chameleon charger not sure how but maybe it's something to do with the block on the charge cable ?
 

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I found it worrying the dealer ship did not tell me that it could have over heated the cable, my girl friends house is old and when I got up in the morning the car was still charging as I only sleep about 4/5 hours max and I did notice the cable is quite warm, did not worry me as I was thinking it is the same as when I charge my MacBook for 5hours the cable gets warm
 

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There is a temptation to use at 13A with an extension cable. An uncoiled extension cable will almost certainly have a melt down and be a fire risk. Having a Type 2 socket guarantees that there is not sub-standard cables, or connections. Using an EVSE will be a temptation (for the ill-informed) to take risks - over-heating is one issue, but the other would be using non-weatherproof connections outdoors.
As Paul says, if you know what you are doing and take reasonable precautions you will be fine. However, 9 drivers out of 10 (possibly) will not have a good understanding?
 

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Exactly and that's what I'm talking about,that's wrong that dealerships don't tell you that, as for most people could Pop around a friends house plug-in overload the house or the cable could melt and maybe causing a house fire god forbid not every single person is gonna have the ability to check or will even think about checking most will just plugging it in and go to bed. So is that why Renault make a big thing about having a wall box fitted or is that just because they did not have the 13a plug. It makes me happy I don't have it now and there are some many posts all over the Country I've never found a place I could not charge. Although I do not do any journeys much more than 300 miles as I will not do very long journeys until the range is at least 200 miles.
 

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How can it bypass the Chameleon charger? I didn't think the Zoe had another charger in the car so wouldn't it have to use the Chameleon charger?
The new ZOE will have a second small charger installed. This is designed to overcome the efficiency issues with the Chameleon charger at low power levels :)
 

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yes it is a opinion, some like some one like my mum who finds it hard to use a mobile phone, she has a plug about 2 feet from the car, so she would just plug it in and most of the lead would be left coiled up about 1/2 feet from the car, can you say it would safe ?. i just don't like it that the dealership did not say to me when i used one for the weekend if you leave it coiled up you may cause a house fire or melt the cable
 

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yes it is a opinion, some like some one like my mum who finds it hard to use a mobile phone, she has a plug about 2 feet from the car, so she would just plug it in and most of the lead would be left coiled up about 1/2 feet from the car, can you say it would safe ?
Why do you think a coiled 13A cable charging at 10A is less safe than a coiled Type1 or Type 2 cable charging at 16A or 32A?

IMO the only legitimate safety issues that are unique to the "UK" plug/socket are surface corrosion and wear on the square pins. All other issues like coiling cables and electrical installation are identical regardless of the electrical connector being used for EV charging.

Tesla acknowledged that the issues you attribute to 'dumb' sockets also impacted their EVSE ("Charging Station") and upgraded them recently to add electrical fault detection in both hardware and software;

http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/tesla-provides-customers-upgraded-charging-software-and-adapter

Lets try and separate fact from fiction... large numbers of EVs have been charged from domestic sockets all over the world and I do not believe that the failure rate is statistically significant.
 
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