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We are seriously thinking of selling or P-.
The only problem is trying to find something that comes anywhere near it (the good points anyway!!)
Any ideas? (sensible ones please, haha)

If anyone is looking for a P- (i.e. without the stiffened suspension, bigger wheels) please drop me a message.
It's black with the white interior, and has been professionally detailed inside and out.
Mileage <4000
 

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I'm sure you've probably already stated in another thread, but what are the things that you do and don't like about the car so that people can suggest an alternative.
For example if you never super charge, the charging network isn't important, if you never use netflix or games or have kids that enjoy the easter eggs then again those are pointless.
If you're looking for something that's more of a "car" that that's easy but if you want something with similar tech it's almost impossible.
Wheels can be swapped, so running 18's with lower tyre pressure would make the ride much more comfortable.
Suspension can also be swapped, but that's a bigger job. However worth considering if your main foibles are things that can be upgraded/replaced on your existing car.
 

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I am happy with the smaller aero wheels and softer suspension. I do not need the (in my view) gimmicks such as Netfliks, games and Easter eggs. I would rather Tesla put their efforts into sorting out the problems with the essential car software.
I agree similar smooth acceleration will be almost impossible to find, at the moment anyway. As will some of the tech. Some of the tech is good, some is just tech for techs sake. I haven't paid for full self driving, and wouldn't want it, or be able to use it, on the sort of roads I mainly use. Nissan have a similar system, and I'm sure others are out there or soon will be.
I do find it distracting to change audio on the move, or even read the time, temp or range remaining because a lot of the display is very small. The voice control is very variable, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Same with the auto wipers. The auto full beam is useless. The mobile app is good, but the proximity unlock by mobile is again variable and sometimes simply refuses to open.
I also find the road and wind noise much worse than other EV's.
Lack of service infrastructure is an issue where we are as well.
But the speed and acceleration is superb. Seats very comfortable.
Overall it's a great car, and many of what I see as gimmicks and idiosyncracies are undoubtedly seen as real plusses by others. It's all very subjective.
 

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As @CoWplagued said, the difficulty is in finding something else in the same segment. The other choices at that price point are either significantly smaller or SUVs. About the only thing that comes vaguely close would be the Hyundai Ioniq which will fault short dynamically let alone in terms of kit and image etc.
 

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Ipace?
Used Model S?

How much are you looking to sell for?
 

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I know exactly what you're referring to, there's a lot of instabilities in owning a Tesla that some people (including me) really enjoy. I'm always on beta pre releases for software, and getting prototype hardware. But I totally appreciate it's frustrating for some. Everything will improve with time unlike other cars, but they will brake things along the way.
I've not driven all the electric cars out there, but I can say that the Ipace still has a lot of road noise and the entertainment system was too basic for my liking, the Audi is easily the quietest but way overpriced and with poor range, the golf is very much like a golf so maybe a good choice if you don't need the range, The zoe I quite enjoyed but it's not the biggest of cars (I'd consider one though to replace my leaf as a second car) The MG is impressive for its price, a little basic but I've recommended people on a budget look at them on PCP, The leaf I'm sure you know has the worst app of all, but is otherwise decent (if not slightly overpriced and a bit aged now) the Mercedes never appeared and I've currently got a new AMG ICE as a hire car and I can quite honestly say the infotainment system is a complete horror with three touch pads, and a jog dial. It's got four home buttons???
So the two main ones I've not driven are the kona and the enero which I believe are both good and more standard.
I believe the Tesla currently has the best app, the best infotainment system (albeit with some bugs), the best handling, and the best charge network. But it's definitely not the most comfortable, quiet and refined of all those available.
 

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I have to say, a little reluctantly, that the electric Ioniq SE is the best on price/range/equipment in my view. We had one priort to the M3, and personally i think it is better spec'd that the 3! heated steering wheel, fan cooled front seats. Obviously not as fast as the 3, but in summer it returned 5.6 miles per kWh. Found it difficult to achieve areally comfortable driving position though.
 

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Ipace?
Used Model S?

How much are you looking to sell for?
Not sure about an S, maybe hang on the the Y?
iPace gets very mixed reviews, never even sat in one though. Could be an option.

Price wise for my 3, I am willing to listen to any realistic offer. Not looking to necessarily make a profit on it, but not lose much either
 

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Not sure about an S, maybe hang on the the Y?
iPace gets very mixed reviews, never even sat in one though. Could be an option.

Price wise for my 3, I am willing to listen to any realistic offer. Not looking to necessarily make a profit on it, but not lose much either
May be worth test driving an S as it has more switches, instruments etc than the 3 (or Y) if that’s what you want. Also air suspension, more space and great performance if you want a bigger car.
I presume you got your 3 before the price rises so you may be able to recover most of what you paid for it if you sell privately and it’s in as new condition.
 

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While not quite the same, I'm currently driving a new Mercedes C220D AMG and it's not nice, not at all. The ride is harsh, which would be fine if it was actually sporty, but the gearbox is atrocious. It's full of hundreds of plastic buttons (to match the plastic "wood") And the infotainment system is so over complicated it's a joke. I even got one of the lads from work to sit in it and gave him 10 minutes to work out how to set an address in the sat nav .... He failed, so of all the cars I'd suggest to someone looking for comfort and simplicity an AMG Mercedes is not one of them!
 

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Agreed on the Merc - had a C220D estate loaner when my B250e had a recall for steering wheel airbag - jerky drivetrain, over-firm suspension, pain in the arse infotainment.

Was the same with an A180D loaner just with less power.

Maybe a petrol would have driven smoother.
 

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If you can wait, the VW ID.3 would be an excellent alternative -- otherwise it has to be the e-Niro (which you might need to wait even longer for) -- I'm assuming that you are looking for 200+ mile range..

You haven't said though what the key reason is for selling the Model 3? Is it because the sum total of niggles is enough to add up to dislike? Or are you looking for something a little less expensive?
 

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What about the Polestar 2, which I had a deposit on before going for the Model 3?
Middle of the year, so also a wait.
It's got a good interior, as I sat in a prototype, and I like Android Automotive.
Tesla autopilot and supercharger network won the day for me to go for the Model 3, but if you're not bothered about either then the Polestar 2 is worth a look.
 

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Is it because the sum total of niggles is enough to add up to dislike?
I think that sums it up nicely Tim. It's very subjective.
Polestar is an option...looks interesting, but I am nervous of being an early adopter again and facing the same issues that Tesla have.
 

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I think that sums it up nicely Tim. It's very subjective.
Polestar is an option...looks interesting, but I am nervous of being an early adopter again and facing the same issues that Tesla have.
I think you’ll find the original adopters where those who bought a Model S in 2014. You know nothing of our struggles. ;)

If you haven’t got what it takes to own a Tesla then that’s fine by us.
 

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Struggling to think of anything to be honest, there's nothing quite like it. I'll probably get shot for this but - similar saloon shape / size / performance... Merc. AMG C 63 S?!
Unlike the posters above, I think that ignoring the absence of eco-credentials the C63 in V8 form is an awesome car. Sadly I just don't see how you can overlook the emissions. :rolleyes:
 

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Oooh Polestar, didn't think of that one. Yea that would be high on my list.
If I hadn't gone down the Tesla route I was considering a Volvo V60, but the T8 hybrid is around 50k.
Polestar shouldn't have too many issues, it's the second car and has all of Volvo's engineering behind it. I believe it uses Android Auto (google) as its main interface which is quite polished now.
However if you were looking 6+ months down the line you may as well keep the model Y on your list as it should have softer suspension, bigger boot and by then Tesla may have ironed out some of the issues that irk you.
 

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If you haven’t got what it takes to own a Tesla then that’s fine by us.
I do own a Tesla, which gives me the right to form and express my opinions. I don't have "what it takes" to accept all the faults and failings in a £50k+ car without annoyance and disappointment ,and nor should any reasonable buyer be expected to. Try taking off the rose tinted spectacles and Teslerati T-shirt for a minute, valid criticism of Tesla is allowed, they are not as perfect as you think
 

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I do own a Tesla, which gives me the right to form and express my opinions. I don't have "what it takes" to accept all the faults and failings in a £50k+ car without annoyance and disappointment ,and nor should any reasonable buyer be expected to. Try taking off the rose tinted spectacles and Teslerati T-shirt for a minute, valid criticism of Tesla is allowed, they are not as perfect as you think
Where did I say they were perfect?
 
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