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Has anyone tried booking in ICE car for a service,
No, never.

the last time I booked my Audi in it was a ripoff and I had to wait 2 months, and no courtesy car/lift/pickup unless you pay.
Glad it's now gone I won't be going back.
For a routine service appointment? You must be confusing them with your GP. Book online at audi.co.uk and check the box marked "include availability for all nearby centres". Unless you live somewhere like Oban there'll be a dealer closer than your average SC (of which there are what, a dozen for the entire UK?). Even Jack Barclay Audi in Wandsworth, which is absolutely teeming with all sorts at all hours, have a slot for me at 8.15am this Friday. Try it yourself.

MB servicing similar. Ditto Jaguar, Honda, Peugeot, VW, BMW. Same week without fail, collection/delivery and a cleaned car included. But so we're clear here, I'm not defending car dealers because they're not to be trusted. I don't like them any more than you do, but to suggest that Tesla offers a superior service is at best disingenuous.

P.S. if you do live in Oban, Glasgow Audi would still see you Monday.
 

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you don't need to use Tesla to have your model 3 serviced..... any decent garage can perform cabin filter change, brake fluid change, wheel rotation and caliper pin greasing. There's not really anything other than that for the first 4 years.
My brother uses cleevely round the corner from him in gloucestershire who specialise in EV servicing.
For warranty stuff though you're looking at a two month wait in the midlands with Tesla.
while a brake fluid change is a bit more tricky you can still do it relatively easily on your drive. People always used to do a bit of servicing themselves, but we've all got lazy. Tesla do not have a requirement like just about any other makes to use a reputable garage to carry out servicing, so there's no reason why you can't do it yourself. Meaning no wait, a you can be sure it actually was "serviced" and not just washed and a huge saving.
 

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I do own a Tesla, which gives me the right to form and express my opinions. I don't have "what it takes" to accept all the faults and failings in a £50k+ car without annoyance and disappointment ,and nor should any reasonable buyer be expected to. Try taking off the rose tinted spectacles and Teslerati T-shirt for a minute, valid criticism of Tesla is allowed, they are not as perfect as you think
Exactly. In fact, you don't have to be an owner to have the right to express an opinion, even if that is about a Tesla. ;)

What you complain about was the MAIN reasons for why I skipped Tesla. I would be a bad customer because I think it is TOTALLY unacceptable to pay that much for a car with all the issues which never will be fixed... If they want me to be a beta tester they have to pay me for my time and trouble, not the other way round.

Unfortunately, I can't give you a valuable advice on what to get instead of Tesla because I don't really know what sort of requirements you have. I have a Leaf and that works just fine since over a year now, and my wife is very happy with it except for the range (limited to about 180km during winter) and I ended up with a BMW 330e PHEV. The car is very quiet even on petrol (I ordered with special acoustic windows), it is very comfortable and nice to drive, but none of those are Tesla. The Leaf is in my opinion not that comfortable for me, but it is for my wife. If I would ABSOLUTELY wanted an EV, I would not buy the Leaf, but would go for the Jaguar or the Mercedes EQC 400. I have not tested those, so perhaps I'd change my mind after a test drive, but again, I don't know much about your requirements.
 

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I would be a bad customer because I think it is TOTALLY unacceptable to pay that much for a car with all the issues which never will be fixed...
Or you could own a Tesla and have great service and no outstanding issues. Imagine that?

No-one's forcing you to understand this, nor does anyone particularly desire that you own one. It's OK.
 

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You mean like my work colleague at work ? owning a used bmw 330d last christmas turbo ate the engine, refurbished engine put in, last 2 weeks he has had intermittent trouble starting the car, changed starter, battery a relay, talked to a auto electrician, that told him to check for recall for that problem, and yes it has a recall for it, he is without the car this week since they have to take half the boot out to cut welding on the boot, change alot of the wire loom. after that they will still not guarantee that the problem is solved. And you think tesla has problems ? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
It's a bit of apples and oranges comparison... An old, used car compared a brand new one... Do you know ANYTHING about the service and owner/handling history of that BMW at all...? Personally I would not buy a second hand BMW BECAUSE of the risks involved in unknown previous ownerships. I know quite a few BMW owners and none of them had ANY problems over the last 4-5 years, all serviced their cars at certified BMW service points and handled their cars as I would, otherwise I would have been a bit more sceptical in buying one last year... But of course, there are lemons in every brand, even in BMW. The problem is that Tesla seems to have a LOT of different minor or major issues, which would really upset me as an owner.
 

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Or you could own a Tesla and have great service and no outstanding issues. Imagine that?
No, I can't imagine that, not with a Tesla. Did you read this thread...?
No-one's forcing you to understand this, nor does anyone particularly desire that you own one. It's OK.
You see, that sort of attitude makes me HAPPY of not owning one... :) I mean, really, why do some Tesla owners think that I care about if they think it is fine or not to NOT having a Tesla.... No one is forcing you to understand that there are other brand also, and paying that much for a car means I expect a bit higher quality than what Tesla is providing. I know some Tesla owners have issues understanding this approach.

Never the less, who cares about your approval of not buying one... :)
 

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You know I have owned Zoes since 2015 and driven other cars?
Maybe that explains your attitude. Now you feel like you are a king. But that's OK, since it doesn't really matter. I still don't need your approval for NOT buying a Tesla.

BTW, you are totally wrong about "nor does anyone particularly desire that you own one ". I am pretty sure Tesla care about the numbers they are selling, and the more they sell the better it is for EVERY Tesla owner, even you, so actually, you should care as well. Because really, what is the incentive of buying one if nobody cares, not even Tesla...? How will the company survive with such attitude? Yes, if I personally don't buy one or not, that hardly makes a difference globally, but the attitude should be the opposite, convince me that I was wrong about NOT buying a Tesla (based on facts, not your emotions). By trying to tell me nobody cares, you are actually damaging YOUR brand, not mine.
 

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On topic, how about a nice e-tron on 9+23 for £304 plus VAT.

Audi E-Tron Estate 230kW 50 Quattro 71kWh Technik 5dr Auto

Possibly be the quietest car on sale? Has more real world useful features such as Carplay, paddle set regen, "that" 3D parking camera Audi have, HUD, battery heater and so on, not to mention the ability to get it serviced by a dealer inside 10 miles and within 48 hours.
 

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On topic, how about a nice e-tron on 9+23 for £304 plus VAT.

Audi E-Tron Estate 230kW 50 Quattro 71kWh Technik 5dr Auto

Possibly be the quietest car on sale? Has more real world useful features such as Carplay, paddle set regen, "that" 3D parking camera Audi have, HUD, battery heater and so on, not to mention the ability to get it serviced by a dealer inside 10 miles and within 48 hours.
Total cost £12k over 2 years for only 5k miles are year
 

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Maybe that explains your attitude. Now you feel like you are a king. But that's OK, since it doesn't really matter. I still don't need your approval for NOT buying a Tesla.

BTW, you are totally wrong about "nor does anyone particularly desire that you own one ". I am pretty sure Tesla care about the numbers they are selling, and the more they sell the better it is for EVERY Tesla owner, even you, so actually, you should care as well. Because really, what is the incentive of buying one if nobody cares, not even Tesla...? How will the company survive with such attitude? Yes, if I personally don't buy one or not, that hardly makes a difference globally, but the attitude should be the opposite, convince me that I was wrong about NOT buying a Tesla (based on facts, not your emotions). By trying to tell me nobody cares, you are actually damaging YOUR brand, not mine.
Didn’t you hear? Tesla are going bankwupt. They can barely give the cars away.

Meanwhile I’ll go back to driving my ZOE Supercar every day. Just so I can look down on people.
 
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