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#1 ·
We are seriously thinking of selling or P-.
The only problem is trying to find something that comes anywhere near it (the good points anyway!!)
Any ideas? (sensible ones please, haha)

If anyone is looking for a P- (i.e. without the stiffened suspension, bigger wheels) please drop me a message.
It's black with the white interior, and has been professionally detailed inside and out.
Mileage <4000
 
#2 ·
I'm sure you've probably already stated in another thread, but what are the things that you do and don't like about the car so that people can suggest an alternative.
For example if you never super charge, the charging network isn't important, if you never use netflix or games or have kids that enjoy the easter eggs then again those are pointless.
If you're looking for something that's more of a "car" that that's easy but if you want something with similar tech it's almost impossible.
Wheels can be swapped, so running 18's with lower tyre pressure would make the ride much more comfortable.
Suspension can also be swapped, but that's a bigger job. However worth considering if your main foibles are things that can be upgraded/replaced on your existing car.
 
#3 ·
I am happy with the smaller aero wheels and softer suspension. I do not need the (in my view) gimmicks such as Netfliks, games and Easter eggs. I would rather Tesla put their efforts into sorting out the problems with the essential car software.
I agree similar smooth acceleration will be almost impossible to find, at the moment anyway. As will some of the tech. Some of the tech is good, some is just tech for techs sake. I haven't paid for full self driving, and wouldn't want it, or be able to use it, on the sort of roads I mainly use. Nissan have a similar system, and I'm sure others are out there or soon will be.
I do find it distracting to change audio on the move, or even read the time, temp or range remaining because a lot of the display is very small. The voice control is very variable, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Same with the auto wipers. The auto full beam is useless. The mobile app is good, but the proximity unlock by mobile is again variable and sometimes simply refuses to open.
I also find the road and wind noise much worse than other EV's.
Lack of service infrastructure is an issue where we are as well.
But the speed and acceleration is superb. Seats very comfortable.
Overall it's a great car, and many of what I see as gimmicks and idiosyncracies are undoubtedly seen as real plusses by others. It's all very subjective.
 
#4 ·
As @CoWplagued said, the difficulty is in finding something else in the same segment. The other choices at that price point are either significantly smaller or SUVs. About the only thing that comes vaguely close would be the Hyundai Ioniq which will fault short dynamically let alone in terms of kit and image etc.
 
#6 ·
I know exactly what you're referring to, there's a lot of instabilities in owning a Tesla that some people (including me) really enjoy. I'm always on beta pre releases for software, and getting prototype hardware. But I totally appreciate it's frustrating for some. Everything will improve with time unlike other cars, but they will brake things along the way.
I've not driven all the electric cars out there, but I can say that the Ipace still has a lot of road noise and the entertainment system was too basic for my liking, the Audi is easily the quietest but way overpriced and with poor range, the golf is very much like a golf so maybe a good choice if you don't need the range, The zoe I quite enjoyed but it's not the biggest of cars (I'd consider one though to replace my leaf as a second car) The MG is impressive for its price, a little basic but I've recommended people on a budget look at them on PCP, The leaf I'm sure you know has the worst app of all, but is otherwise decent (if not slightly overpriced and a bit aged now) the Mercedes never appeared and I've currently got a new AMG ICE as a hire car and I can quite honestly say the infotainment system is a complete horror with three touch pads, and a jog dial. It's got four home buttons???
So the two main ones I've not driven are the kona and the enero which I believe are both good and more standard.
I believe the Tesla currently has the best app, the best infotainment system (albeit with some bugs), the best handling, and the best charge network. But it's definitely not the most comfortable, quiet and refined of all those available.
 
#7 ·
I have to say, a little reluctantly, that the electric Ioniq SE is the best on price/range/equipment in my view. We had one priort to the M3, and personally i think it is better spec'd that the 3! heated steering wheel, fan cooled front seats. Obviously not as fast as the 3, but in summer it returned 5.6 miles per kWh. Found it difficult to achieve areally comfortable driving position though.
 
#11 ·
While not quite the same, I'm currently driving a new Mercedes C220D AMG and it's not nice, not at all. The ride is harsh, which would be fine if it was actually sporty, but the gearbox is atrocious. It's full of hundreds of plastic buttons (to match the plastic "wood") And the infotainment system is so over complicated it's a joke. I even got one of the lads from work to sit in it and gave him 10 minutes to work out how to set an address in the sat nav .... He failed, so of all the cars I'd suggest to someone looking for comfort and simplicity an AMG Mercedes is not one of them!
 
#12 ·
Agreed on the Merc - had a C220D estate loaner when my B250e had a recall for steering wheel airbag - jerky drivetrain, over-firm suspension, pain in the arse infotainment.

Was the same with an A180D loaner just with less power.

Maybe a petrol would have driven smoother.
 
#13 ·
If you can wait, the VW ID.3 would be an excellent alternative -- otherwise it has to be the e-Niro (which you might need to wait even longer for) -- I'm assuming that you are looking for 200+ mile range..

You haven't said though what the key reason is for selling the Model 3? Is it because the sum total of niggles is enough to add up to dislike? Or are you looking for something a little less expensive?
 
#14 ·
What about the Polestar 2, which I had a deposit on before going for the Model 3?
Middle of the year, so also a wait.
It's got a good interior, as I sat in a prototype, and I like Android Automotive.
Tesla autopilot and supercharger network won the day for me to go for the Model 3, but if you're not bothered about either then the Polestar 2 is worth a look.
 
#18 ·
Oooh Polestar, didn't think of that one. Yea that would be high on my list.
If I hadn't gone down the Tesla route I was considering a Volvo V60, but the T8 hybrid is around 50k.
Polestar shouldn't have too many issues, it's the second car and has all of Volvo's engineering behind it. I believe it uses Android Auto (google) as its main interface which is quite polished now.
However if you were looking 6+ months down the line you may as well keep the model Y on your list as it should have softer suspension, bigger boot and by then Tesla may have ironed out some of the issues that irk you.
 
#23 ·
Tesla service used to be good, but their attempts to streamline things are causing more problems.

Now they are back in profit you’d hope that they’d pay attention to the service component.

In fairness I’ve always had an OK experience and now most of the initial niggles have been sorted I haven’t had any problems with my car for a while. Things do settle down.
 
#34 ·
No point suggesting another Tesla, most if the issues are across the board with the software

I’d be looking at one of the new bread of hybrids. The Mitsubishi Phev got them a bad reputation but they’re not all the same and the new WLTP regs mean range has increased. The battery also gives torque fill which makes them smoother than typical ICE.

You also hear very few Bmw i3 owners complain about their cars. A year old 94rex means no range anxiety or a 120 gives more range but not as much as the tesla - both leave you probably 15k+ In your pocket
 
#37 ·
You also hear very few Bmw i3 owners complain about their cars. A year old 94rex means no range anxiety or a 120 gives more range but not as much as the tesla - both leave you probably 15k+ In your pocket
 
#36 ·
Has anyone tried booking in ICE car for a service, the last time I booked my Audi in it was a ripoff and I had to wait 2 months, and no courtesy car/lift/pickup unless you pay.
Glad it's now gone I won't be going back.

My Tesla has had no issues thus far so I haven't needed to test out the service centres.
I suspect most owners never do.
 
#43 ·
Has anyone tried booking in ICE car for a service,
No, never.

the last time I booked my Audi in it was a ripoff and I had to wait 2 months, and no courtesy car/lift/pickup unless you pay.
Glad it's now gone I won't be going back.
For a routine service appointment? You must be confusing them with your GP. Book online at audi.co.uk and check the box marked "include availability for all nearby centres". Unless you live somewhere like Oban there'll be a dealer closer than your average SC (of which there are what, a dozen for the entire UK?). Even Jack Barclay Audi in Wandsworth, which is absolutely teeming with all sorts at all hours, have a slot for me at 8.15am this Friday. Try it yourself.

MB servicing similar. Ditto Jaguar, Honda, Peugeot, VW, BMW. Same week without fail, collection/delivery and a cleaned car included. But so we're clear here, I'm not defending car dealers because they're not to be trusted. I don't like them any more than you do, but to suggest that Tesla offers a superior service is at best disingenuous.

P.S. if you do live in Oban, Glasgow Audi would still see you Monday.
 
#38 ·
Unsurprisingly this is turning into a bit of a Tesla build quality argument. With few constructive suggestions of alternative cars for the OP.
Ultimately Tesla is a tenth of the age of other car makers, choosing not to follow their tried and tested ways of manufacture. It's choosing not to stand still and hugely improve the existing systems in favour of newer technologies like full chassis casting. Things will improve over time but just because they've existed as a company for 10 years doesn't mean these cars aren't still work in progress and probably will continue to be for many years to come.
You can't pretend there aren't issues with the cars, but you also can't pretend that everyone is bothered by these issues. Computerised cars, built by a technology start up, running work-in-progress software just aren't for everyone.
 
#46 ·
you don't need to use Tesla to have your model 3 serviced..... any decent garage can perform cabin filter change, brake fluid change, wheel rotation and caliper pin greasing. There's not really anything other than that for the first 4 years.
My brother uses cleevely round the corner from him in gloucestershire who specialise in EV servicing.
For warranty stuff though you're looking at a two month wait in the midlands with Tesla.
while a brake fluid change is a bit more tricky you can still do it relatively easily on your drive. People always used to do a bit of servicing themselves, but we've all got lazy. Tesla do not have a requirement like just about any other makes to use a reputable garage to carry out servicing, so there's no reason why you can't do it yourself. Meaning no wait, a you can be sure it actually was "serviced" and not just washed and a huge saving.
 
#53 ·
On topic, how about a nice e-tron on 9+23 for £304 plus VAT.

Audi E-Tron Estate 230kW 50 Quattro 71kWh Technik 5dr Auto

Possibly be the quietest car on sale? Has more real world useful features such as Carplay, paddle set regen, "that" 3D parking camera Audi have, HUD, battery heater and so on, not to mention the ability to get it serviced by a dealer inside 10 miles and within 48 hours.
 
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