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Well hello, friends!

We’ve decided to drive to Croatia at the end of August. Camping. With two children. Never before have we been camping so why not do it in Croatia and go there in Zoe. I mean, what could possibly go wrong…?

I’ll take my tongue back out of my cheek to ask: Has anybody got any pointers for charging in the following countries:

France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Italy, Slovenia and Croatia?

Possibly won’t need to charge in Slovenia as it’s only a short nip through there between Italy and Croatia.

I currently have the following cards:

Genie point,
Newmotion,
Source London,
ESB Ireland,
KiWhi pass,
CYC,
Plug surfing,
Alfa.

I’ve downloaded the JuicePass app for access to the Enel points in Italy.

I’ve taken Zoe to France before, so not too concerned there.

I guess the unknown for me really is Belgium, Germany, Austria and Croatia.

I’m going to keep researching but in the meantime, any pointers welcome. Thanks!
 

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We’ve decided to drive to Croatia at the end of August. Camping. With two children. Never before have we been camping so why not do it in Croatia and go there in Zoe. I mean, what could possibly go wrong…?
Well... do you really want a list?

I applaud your sense of adventure. Hope it all goes well.
 

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When we were there a few years ago there where lots of free 22 kW Charing posts. It should be pretty good when you get there.

Quite a trip in a ZOE. The only bit I can’t confirm is Northern Italy.

Buona fortuna!
 

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I admire that you admire my sense of adventure!

Very rough, basic, first draft itinerary, based purely on a quick look at Google maps and definitely subject to change:


Sat 17th 18:00 dep Folkestone

Sat 17th 20:00 arr Calais

Sat 17th 22:00 arr Mons, Belgium. Sleep. Charge.

Sun 18th 09:00 dep Mons

Sun 18th 18:00 arr Pforzheim, Germany. Sleep, charge.

Mon 19th 09:00 dep Pforzheim.

Mon 19th 18:00 arr Innsbruck, Austria. Sleep, charge.

Tue 20th 09:00 dep Innsbruck.

Tue 20th 18:00 arr Udine, Italy. Sleep, charge.

Wed 21st 09:00 dep Udine.

Wed 21st 13:00 arr Lanterna Premium Camping Resort, Lanterna Bb, Tar, Croatia.



Wed 28th 12:00 dep Lanterna.

Wed 28th 20:00 arr San Candido, South Tyrol, Italy. Sleep. Charge.

Thu 29th 09:00 dep San Candido.

Thu 29th 19:00 arr Stuttgart, Germany. Sleep, charge.

Fri 30th 09:00 dep Stuttgart.

Fri 30th 20:00 arr Brussels, Belgium.

Sat 31st 09:00 dep Brussels.

Sat 31st 12:00 arr Calais. Charge.

Sat 31st 15:00 dep Calais.

Sat 31st 16:00 arr Folkestone.

Sat 31st 23:00 arr home.
 

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My word, this new forum software they put on the website is shockingly bad!

You turn your back for a few months and come back to find this nonsense.

Anyway… I thought it would be a hoot for me to try to charge only at free of charge charging points as well, for the trip to and from Croatia (that and the fact that I’m royally skint right now). I shall keep you posted!
 

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Be aware that once you get to Germany the focus is heavily CCS. I charged in a few locations where a Leaf/Zoe was having issues with a broken triple header (maybe through excessive use?) whilst a bank of 4+ CCS chargers next to it were working fine.

Make sure there are enough backup options if a charger isn't working.
 

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Looking at Shells NewMotion map when you
Filter for Type 2 22kw - 43kw there looks to be plenty to get
you all the way there.
You’re right, well spotted, thanks!

Even better though, the Chargemap app can filter >30kW points, Type 2 only, as well as the ability to set it to free of charge charging points only. Here is the result:

This is going to be a doddle!:p
 

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Looking at the maps, I think I’m basically going to be charging at Lidl / Aldi during the days, as well as grannying it up on the camp sites over night (as is possible, campsite permitting)...
 

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Looking at the maps, I think I’m basically going to be charging at Lidl / Aldi during the days, as well as grannying it up on the camp sites over night (as is possible, campsite permitting)...
The one drawback to this is most campsites only really support 6-8 kW continuous load. You can ask for a higher amp rating, but that doesn’t guarantee it will work, as the cable runs and standards can be pretty rubbish on campsites.
 

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The one drawback to this is most campsites only really support 6-8 kW continuous load. You can ask for a higher amp rating, but that doesn’t guarantee it will work, as the cable runs and standards can be pretty rubbish on campsites.
I know. I’m noticing a lot of campsites seem to offer electricity at 6A only. I was hoping to granny charge overnight to reduce the time needed to stop and rapid charge in the day time.

Looking at the route, Italy seems to be the worst for lack of free 43kW AC rapids. I may have to PAY to charge in Italy.:eek:
 

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I know. I’m noticing a lot of campsites seem to offer electricity at 6A only. I was hoping to granny charge overnight to reduce the time needed to stop and rapid charge in the day time.

Looking at the route, Italy seems to be the worst for lack of free 43kW AC rapids. I may have to PAY to charge in Italy.:eek:
Don't forget you probably need cable adapters for campground chargers. In France at least campground hookups use CEE17 plugs not Euro plugs. And bring a 10m+ extension lead as often the power socket is far from nearest parking.

4 people, camping, in a Zoe, sounds TIGHT. Have you tried packing yet? I'm in the Pyrenees now, with 3 people in an i3 and that is jam packed with just lightweight hiking kit.
 

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Don't forget you probably need cable adapters for campground chargers. In France at least campground hookups use CEE17 plugs not Euro plugs. And bring a 10m+ extension lead as often the power socket is far from nearest parking.

4 people, camping, in a Zoe, sounds TIGHT. Have you tried packing yet? I'm in the Pyrenees now, with 3 people in an i3 and that is jam packed with just lightweight hiking kit.
Thanks for the tip. However....

I’ve decided to stay in budget motels on the way to and from Croatia, rather than camp. At around €30 a night for a room for four of us in a HotelF1 or Première Classe, it’d be silly messing around with a tent, potentially in the dark, to pay around the same price for a pitch at a campsite.

Still intent on paying €0 for charging all the way to Croatia and back though! I reckon that’s completely feasible.

EDIT: you’re right about the space thing, too. I’m a bit worried. Ah, but we’ll travel light, make it work. (y)
 

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What are you doing about headlights and driving on the other side of the road - the manual says go to a dealer?
 

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I normally just buy those headlight sticker things from eBay.
 

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I don’t know what I’m letting myself in for on this trip.

I’m in the process of planning my route, with plenty of contingency plans obviously, but the first charging point is already making me scratch my head....

 

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Hi folks,

I’m not sure if this is of interest to anybody but, in case it is, I’m going to share below my planned itinerary so far.

Now, originally I had planned that we would take four nights to get from England to Croatia and each of those four nights we would camp. This has now changed. We will still take four nights but instead of camping we will stay in budget hotels. The price is a bit more expensive but it’s a lot less hassle especially when we would sometimes be arriving quite late at night. Ultimately, that plan did not get the stamp of approval from the boss (my wife).

The other change is that I had wanted to charge only at free of charge charging points. Unfortunately, I don’t believe this is going to be practical. I will still charge as much as possible at free of charge places, mainly Lidl and Aldi because two birds will be killed with one stone at these places (provisions purchasing at affordable prices), but I would be silly to not charge overnight at destination chargers where they exist for a fee.

I have based my itinerary on these points:

I expect it to be hot weather. I will not drive in eco-mode because my family will expect adequate air-con. :)

There will be four of us, two adults and two children, plus a boot full of camping gear and clothes for two weeks. The car will be quite heavy.

I intend to drive with cruise control at 62 mph while in the UK / 100 kph while on the mainland.

I expect to achieve a range of 140 miles/225 km driving under these conditions from a full charge.

At rapid chargers, I will charge to 85% S0C most of the time, but sometimes to 90% if I think I’m going to need that extra range. Not usually though, as I find it takes too long to gain that extra 5% when rapid charging.

100% = 140 miles = 225 km
85% = 190km
1% = 2.25km
1km = 0.444444444444444%

My car is a late 2018 Renault Zoe i Sig Nav Q90, 98% SOH (40kW available at 100% SOC) with 17,300 miles on the clock currently, and will be going in for her first service in a couple of weeks, before the trip. She will have hit the 18,000 miles mark by then, hence the first service will be due.

When planning how long I will spend at the charging points, I have intentionally overestimated the time it will take to charge, to compensate for potentially having to wait for the charger if it is in use, or if I have to go to a different charger if I find it is out of order. I have also ensured that there are plenty of other chargers if needs be. I have also overestimated the time it would take me to get to each stop. This is also to budget in time for contingency charging points as well as having to stop to take photos of interesting sights we may see on the way. I do not expect to see snow in Switzerland in August but my wife thinks otherwise. She thinks of Switzerland and envisages the snow-covered Alps.

I will also be taking two grannies with me, one is an official Renault granny and the other is and @andyfras special. I have used both in France before and they have been faultless.

I have comprehensive car insurance which is valid for every country I will drive on the trip, health insurance for all of us and of course the Renault ZE breakdown assistance.

In some cases the route I have chosen is not the most direct, this is because we want to visit as many countries as possible, just for fun and, why not. I mean, who doesn’t want to say they’ve been to Lichtenstein?

If anybody is interested, I plan to do a thread on Twitter. I’ll put the link in later.

Right then, here goes:

Sat 17th August:
07:30 dep house with 100% charge.
09:30 arr 16-17 M1, Northampton, NN6 7WU. 105 miles. 75% used, 25% left. Charge to 85%.
10:00 dep with 85%.
11:00 arr Moto South, Motorway Southbound, Jct 11/12,, M1, Toddington, Bedford LU5 6HR. 38 miles. 28% used. 57% left. Charge to 85%.
12:00 dep with 85%.
15:00 arr Folkestone. 115 miles. 83% used. Left 2%. Charge to 90%.
20:00 dep Calais 85%
22:00 arr Auchan FACHES THUMESNIL, Route de Vendeville, 59155 Faches-Thumesnil, France. 122km. 55% used. Left 30%. Charge to 85%.
23:30 dep with 85%.
02:00 arr Hôtel Première Classe Charleville Mézières, Route de la Francheville, 08000 Charleville-Mézières, France. 191km. used 85%, left 0%. Charge to 100% at nearby charging point. There are quite a few. Preference is Clem’ - Charleville Mézières - Delautre, 10 Boulevard Jean Delautre
08000 Charleville-Mézières, France. https://chargemap.com/clem-charleville-mezieres-delautre.html NewMotion card around €12.50 if KiWhi doesn't work.

Sun 18th August:
09:00 dep hotel with 100%.
11:00 arr Lidl, 168 Rue du Brill, 3898 Foetz, Luxembourg. 134km = 60%. 40% left. charge to 85%.
12:30 dep Lidl with 85%.
14:30 arr Auchan TOMBLAINE, Avenue Eugène Pottier, 54510 Tomblaine, France. 117km = 52% = left 33%. Charge to 90%.
16:30 dep Auchan with 90%.
19:00 arr Cora - Wittenheim, 130 route de Soultz, 68270 Wittenheim, France. 176km = 79%. Left 11%. charge to 85%. KiWhi Pass.
20:30 dep Cora with 85%.
21:00 arr hotelF1 Mulhouse Bâle Aéroport, Allée des Pins, Saint-Louis, France. 35km = 16% = left 69%.

Mon 19th August:
09:00 dep hotelF1 with 69%.
11:00 arr Lidl, Schaffhauserstrasse 163 Zürich, 8302 Kloten, Switzerland. 115km = 52% = left 17%. Charge to 85%.
13:00 dep Lidl with 85%. Head to Lidl Italienische Str. 25 via Vaduz, Liechtenstein.
17:00 arr Lidl Italienische Str. 25, 7430 Thusis, Switzerland. 168km = 75% = left 10%. Charge to 91%.
19:00 dep Lidl with 91%.
21:30 arr Via Don G. Lombardini, 6 campo sportivo comunale, Dazio, Lombardia 23010, Italy. 105km = 47% used = 44% left.

Tue 20th August:
09:00 dep with 44%.
11:00 arr Pam Local - Largo Porta Nuova. 98km = 44%. Left 0%!!!! Charge to 85%. 22kW charger only.
13:00 dep Largo Porta Nuova.
15:00 arr Ufficio Postale Poste Italiane, Via Carlo Alberto, 33, 37066 Sommacampagna VR, Italy. 115km = 52% = left 33%. Charge to 85%.
17:00 dep with 85%.
19:30 arr ao Hotel Venezia Mestre 2. 153km. 68% used. Left 17%. Charge locally in Venice to ~ 90%.

Wed 21st August:
09:00. Check out of hotel. Charge if unable to night before. Go to Venice and go on gondola.
15:00 dep Venice with 85%.
18:30 arr Parkirišče, Sesana,6210, 6210 Sežana, Slovenia. 166km. 74%. 11% left. Charge to 50%.
19:30 dep with 50%.
21:30 arr Lanterna Premium Camping Resort, Lanterna Bb, Tar, Croatia. 99km. 44%. Left 6%.


Return journey:

Wed 28th August:
12:00 dep with 100%
13:30 arr ENELx Trieste, 34149 Area di Ricerca TS, Italy. 69km = 31% used = 69% left. Charge to 85%.
14:30 dep with 85%.
16:30 arr Polnilna postaja za električna vozila, Gregorčičeva ulica 32, 5222 Kobarid, Slovenia. 101km = 45% used = 40% left. Charge to 85%.
18:30 dep with 85%.
20:00 arr KOČA NA GOZDU 86 Vršiška Cesta, Kranjska Gora. 58km = 26% used. 59 left.

Thu 29th August:
09:00 dep KOČA NA GOZDU with 59%.
10:00 arr Lidl Österreich, Klagenfurter Str. 70, 9500 Villach, Austria. 33km = 15% used = 44% left. Charge to 90%.
12:00 dep Lidl with 90%.
15:30 arr Lidl Österreich, Gewerbeparkstraße 2, 5081 Anif, Austria. 192 km = 86% used = 4% left. Charge to 85%.
16:30 dep with 85%.
19:00 arr Lidl, Landsberger Str. 380, 80687 München, Germany. 160km = 72% used = 13% left. Charge to 85%.
21:00 dep Lidl with 85%.
22:30 arr Innogy Charging Station, Robert-Bosch-Straße 10, 89343 Jettingen-Scheppach, Germany. 92km = 41% used = 44% left. Charge to 85%.
23:30 dep with 85%.
01:30 arr a&o Hostel Stuttgart City, Rosensteinstraße, Stuttgart, Germany. 126km = 56% used. Left 29%. Charge locally to 100%.


Fri 30th August:
09:00 dep hotel with 100%.
11:00 arr Electric vehicle charging, Unnamed Road, 64342, 64342 Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany (aldi sud). 160km = 62% used. Left 38%. Charge to 85%.
12:30 dep Aldi.
14:30 arr Lidl, Rottbitzerstr. 36-40 (L 247, 53604 Bad Honnef, Germany. 160km = 62% used. Left 23%. Charge to 85%.
16:30 dep Lidl with 85%.
17:00 arr Haribo factory outlet Bonn, Friesdorfer Straße, Bonn, Germany. 24km = 11%. Left 74%.
18:00 dep Haribo with 74%.
18:30 arr Holiday Inn Express Cologne - Troisdorf Echternacherstrasse 4, Troisdorf 53842. 19km = 9%. Left 65%.

Sat 31st August:
09:00 dep hotel with 65%.
10:00 arr ALDI SÜD, Trierer Str. 688, 52078 Aachen, Germany. 91km. 41% used. Left 24%. Charge to 85%.
12:00 dep Aldi with 85%.
14:00 arr Lidl, Veldstraat 31, 9220 Hamme, Belgium. 180km = 80% used. Left 5%. Charge to 85%.
16:00 dep with 85%.
18:30 arr Hotel ibis Saint Omer Centre, 2-4 Rue Henri Dupuis, 62500 Saint-Omer, France. 171km = 76% used. Left 9%. Charge locally to 95%.

Sun 1st Sept:
13:00 dep hotel with 90% SOC.
14:00 arr eurotunnel. 44km. Used 20% left 70%. Charge to 85%.
15:00 dep Folkestone with 80%.
17:30 arr Welcome Break Birchanger Green, Old, Dunmow Rd, Bishop's Stortford CM23 5QZ. 96 miles = 69% used. Left 11%. Charge to 85%.
19:30 dep with 85%.
21:30 arr Moto Service Area Grantham North. 92 miles = 66% used. 19% left. Charge to 85%.
23:30 dep with 85%.
01:00 arr home.


...and I fully expect the above, well thought out itinerary, will change!
 

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Good luck on your adventures, but a prime example of why people don't buy EVs. Your trip in an ICE:

1. Drive.
2. Occasionally stop at the plentiful petrol stations for 5 minutes.
3. Continue.
 

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Good luck on your adventures, but a prime example of why people don't buy EVs. Your trip in an ICE:

1. Drive.
2. Occasionally stop at the plentiful petrol stations for 5 minutes.
3. Continue.
Yes and no.

Definitely, a trip like this requires much more planning than it would in an ICE. But planning aside, the driving hours and stops would be the same. I wouldn't want to drive more than 2 hours or so without a stop, not with the children, certainly.

Not sure how accurate this calculator is, but it's showing a 50mpg ICE car would cost £286.09 in fuel.
 
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