[Jono63]

After my rear lights refusing to turn off (still on) and my car baring me from entering, I had a horrible suspicion things would probably get worse - they have.

I finally managed to break in (used the physical key) managed to stop the alarm and settled myself in. I wasn’t really ready for the barrage of abuse the car then hurled at me. I think I counted a total of 15 error messages, in reality there was probably more things failing, than actually working.

I naïvely thought they may clear, I was wrong. As many related to safety system, I decided to check how things were set on the infotainment screen. Every single system was shown as being unavailable and greyed out.

Fearing for my life, I suspect the car may be vengeful, I got out before it decided to disable the locks.

 

[cheryl ward]

Spoke to a neighbour today who was having lots problems with his id3- random error messages, locks failing, he was pretty annoyed.
Garage next to useless and unhelpful.
I told him he wasn't alone and directed him here.
Wonder how many have a fully functioning, problem free car?
Have VW really got this so badly wrong, if so, just how??

 

[Mr_ess_jay]

I'd wager all of those errors are the result of a 12v battery going flat...

 

[Jono63]

I'd wager all of those errors are the result of a 12v battery going flat...

Checked battery and it’s fine, however if it was flat, it shouldn’t have been, so still no excuse

 

[mrdr_ev]

VW have been running their ECU close to compute limits for years now. One small issue has a cascade effect as it runs out of clock cycles to handle the error handler code and all the other normal activities at the same time; end result being it wakes up a few seconds later, realises it missed a ton of messages from all sorts of critical systems and declares that for the sake of the children it should shut everything down and try again later. This behaviour has been implicated time and again in safety issues such as unintended-acceleration events, sudden loss of power events, you name it.

 

[Hitstirrer]

I would still disconnect the 12v DC battery and put it on a smart charger for a lengthy period to allow its programme to run. Then reconnect the 12v battery and try again. When in doot reboot. It has been shown hundreds of time to be the solution to such random and bizarre events. Not in all cases of course but well worth a try.

 

[cheryl ward]

I get all of the above.
But at the end of the day it's a brand new car and a customer paying out their hard earned shouldn't be having to bugger about with it.
If VW are running systems too close to what actually works in the real world, and worse still not recognizing the fact, they have a big problem on their hands.
I personally wouldn't touch an id3, or any VW come to that, with a bargepole.
Nice looking car, but sorry I want to go to my car and be confident it will get me to work.

 

[6652]

VW have been running their ECU close to compute limits for years now. One small issue has a cascade effect as it runs out of clock cycles to handle the error handler code and all the other normal activities at the same time; end result being it wakes up a few seconds later, realises it missed a ton of messages from all sorts of critical systems and declares that for the sake of the children it should shut everything down and try again later. This behaviour has been implicated time and again in safety issues such as unintended-acceleration events, sudden loss of power events, you name it.

Whilst it‘a a good theory, the ID cars don’t use an ECU like any of the previous cars. The IDs have Continental computers, 3 of them I believe.

It’s a totally different setup to what has gone before, and no doubt part of the reason for the problems being experienced.

 

[6652]

After my rear lights refusing to turn off (still on) and my car baring me from entering, I had a horrible suspicion things would probably get worse - they have.

I finally managed to break in (used the physical key) managed to stop the alarm and settled myself in. I wasn’t really ready for the barrage of abuse the car then hurled at me. I think I counted a total of 15 error messages, in reality there was probably more things failing, than actually working.

I naïvely thought they may clear, I was wrong. As many related to safety system, I decided to check how things were set on the infotainment screen. Every single system was shown as being unavailable and greyed out.

Fearing for my life, I suspect the car may be vengeful, I got out before it decided to disable the locks.

You said in the other thread that you’d pulled the 12v in an effort to fix the rear light issue?

When you first restart after reconnecting, you will get every error message under the sun, but they should clear as it reboots and with further restarts. For the steering one you will need to cycle the steering lock to lock.

 

[Jono63]

You said in the other thread that you’d pulled the 12v in an effort to fix the rear light issue?

When you first restart after reconnecting, you will get every error message under the sun, but they should clear as it reboots and with further restarts. For the steering one you will need to cycle the steering lock to lock.

Yes, I expected the errors, it was all fine this morning, got all the errors, they cleared and I popped out.

When I went back later, they had all reappeared and now they refuse to budge.

 

[6652]

Yes, I expected the errors, it was all fine this morning, got all the errors, they cleared and I popped out.

When I went back later, they had all reappeared and now they refuse to budge.

That would suggest the 12v went off for a bit then?

Either way, not good.

 

[MarkyM]

Test drove the ID3 today. 58 kWh. Pro Power ? 204hp.
I will be test driving a few different EVs over the coming weeks.
Drove nicely and refined. And that is all I can say about it.
interior cheap and nasty. Hated the haptic steering buttons and the slider on the central screen quite dangerous in a moving car. The fact that most, if not all are or will suffer software glitches that many on here seem only to ready to apologise for ,makes this car a joke. Would not touch one with a barge pole. The interior reminded me of my VW Up. But that is a car I still own and is from 2013 and cost £10k.
This car is £30-£40k. They have rushed this car to market no doubt.
I am sure they will update the cabin quality (plastics,upholstery and general fit and finish) within 18 months instead of the usual 3 year face lift cycle.
To hit the message home on returning to the dealership they showed me the ID4. This is more VW like with nicer style, fit and finish and upholstery and plastics. Weird!! It is like the ID4 is from another manufacturer not just a different model from the ID3.
My i3 (released to market in 2013) knocks this car in to a cocked hat! Both Cabin quality and general driving. Feels much more punchy and fun than the ID3. My opinion of course.
The ID3 certainly has potential but it felt like a very early prototype and falls well below VW standards I feel. Rear seat space & legroom good though! (Thought I would finish on a positive note).

 

[cdlb]

Whilst it‘a a good theory, the ID cars don’t use an ECU like any of the previous cars. The IDs have Continental computers, 3 of them I believe.

It’s a totally different setup to what has gone before, and no doubt part of the reason for the problems being experienced.

I think those Continental chaps are using Renesas R-Cars under the hood, which I think are themselves based on ARM Cortex (As and Rs I think). Assuming they've not removed/ignored the interrupt controller and fancy exception handlers (or bollocksed up the hypervisor), it should prevent the exact problem that @mrdr_ev describes - error handling is given priority (because it is safety critical) and everything else stops working if it runs out of grunt.

 

[Talaipwros]

,,,
I will be test driving a few different EVs over the coming weeks.
,,,,

if you test drive the Lexus, please give us a shout and share your impressions

 

[MarkyM]

if you test drive the Lexus, please give us a shout and share your impressions

This Friday! I gave Lexus a b**locking by email a few weeks ago when they released the spec. 50kW charging speed and Chademo being the 2 main concerns I had. Chademo not that a biggie I guess, but 50kW charging speed in 2021 is unforgivable in a high end and relatively high priced EV. In what could be a great and quiet distance cruiser. Lexus being Lexus, they replied to me the next day thanking me for concerns and that they will take things on board and happy to get feedback etc. Think it is 54kWh battery also and looks a heavy car so efficiency will be “interesting”.

 

[6652]

Test drove the ID3 today. 58 kWh. Pro Power ? 204hp.
I will be test driving a few different EVs over the coming weeks.
Drove nicely and refined. And that is all I can say about it.
interior cheap and nasty. Hated the haptic steering buttons and the slider on the central screen quite dangerous in a moving car. The fact that most, if not all are or will suffer software glitches that many on here seem only to ready to apologise for ,makes this car a joke. Would not touch one with a barge pole. The interior reminded me of my VW Up. But that is a car I still own and is from 2013 and cost £10k.
This car is £30-£40k. They have rushed this car to market no doubt.
I am sure they will update the cabin quality (plastics,upholstery and general fit and finish) within 18 months instead of the usual 3 year face lift cycle.
To hit the message home on returning to the dealership they showed me the ID4. This is more VW like with nicer style, fit and finish and upholstery and plastics. Weird!! It is like the ID4 is from another manufacturer not just a different model from the ID3.
My i3 (released to market in 2013) knocks this car in to a cocked hat! Both Cabin quality and general driving. Feels much more punchy and fun than the ID3. My opinion of course.
The ID3 certainly has potential but it felt like a very early prototype and falls well below VW standards I feel. Rear seat space & legroom good though! (Thought I would finish on a positive note).

There seem to be endless people queuing up to kick the ID.3 at the moment, based on a few people’s bad experiences on here, and a short test drive.

I’m at 9k miles in my ID.3 now, nearly half of those on the new software, and I just don’t share your view I’m afraid.

A lot of it is subjective and personal preference, I owned a 2014 i3 Rex, and I don’t think the two vehicles compare at all, the ID.3 kicks it into a cocked hat in my opinion.

I’m getting tired of everybody who offers an alternative view and/or a bit of reality/experience into the posts about people suffering genuine problems with their ID vehicles as being apologists. Apparently, experiencing a car that works fine must be some kind of exception, but I suspect the majority of cars are ok otherwise we’d hear even more about failures. Forums are places where lots come to air a grievance, I get that, fewer to sing praises.

I must be a lucky guy, the Tesla seems to be working fine now as well since it’s week one hissy fits with a freezing screen. If they could sort the random keyless entry quirks, it would be near perfect. Cars go wrong sometimes, that’s fact, new models even more so.

Some have lost all perspective on here I’m afraid, the owners suffering faulty vehicles deserve our sympathy, but thankfully they appear to be in the minority.

 

[MarkyM]

Glad you are happy with it. The i3 will remain a classic rather like the Audi A2. Almost ahead of its time. No car is perfect. The i3 certainly isn’t. It has faults and quirks.
The ID3 is almost instantly forgettable. A real A to B car. As in, it is just a vehicle to get you from A to B. No emotion or enjoyment necessary or an expectation. A real surprise given its rear wheel drive/rear motor layout. The interior quality is really very poor. If those are the bits you can see, just imagine the bits you can’t. But the facelift should be much much better. VW just tried to get this to market as soon as possible in light of the mega fines they are having to bear in the USA and elsewhere and not wanting to miss the EV train. They have cut corners in build and software. No point denying it. If yours is less affected then great for you. But spare a thought for the many others who have or will continue to have glitches and faults or full breakdowns.
Forums are not just for moaning but to share & inform. Hope you will do so also if your ID3 plays up. It helps other users and owners after all. You have already stated how good the ID3 is.

 

[6652]

Glad you are happy with it. The i3 will remain a classic rather like the Audi A2. Almost ahead of its time. No car is perfect. The i3 certainly isn’t. It has faults and quirks.
The ID3 is almost instantly forgettable. A real A to B car. As in, it is just a vehicle to get you from A to B. No emotion or enjoyment necessary or an expectation. A real surprise given its rear wheel drive/rear motor layout. The interior quality is really very poor. If those are the bits you can see, just imagine the bits you can’t. But the facelift should be much much better. VW just tried to get this to market as soon as possible in light of the mega fines they are having to bear in the USA and elsewhere and not wanting to miss the EV train. They have cut corners in build and software. No point denying it. If yours is less affected then great for you. But spare a thought for the many others who have or will continue to have glitches and faults or full breakdowns.
Forums are not just for moaning but to share & inform. Hope you will do so also if your ID3 plays up. It helps other users and owners after all. You have already stated how good the ID3 is.

Funnily enough I owned one of the first A2s into the UK too, a Y plate 1.4 TDI. A car before it’s time, and also with its own early problems. My i3 was entertaining to drive, to 7/10s, then it lost composure and wasn’t particularly well damped. A bumpy Lincs road had it all over the place. The ID.3 won’t set the world on fire, but it has depth to its handling which takes time to uncover.

I’ve more than recognised people who are having problems with their ID vehicles, and been actively helping them. I’ve put more miles on one than most, learnt some tricks but I’ve also been critical of it where it’s due.

I’ve had a good poke around mine, been under and behind the dash investigating audio upgrades and retrofitted a split level floor. I’ve had it up on my mates four post ramp, hooked it up to my VCDS and my assessment is it’s typical VW, that is to say average. As good and bad as any European EV out there of a similar price.

I’m not blind to a cars faults, my wife’s new Tesla has issues too, and that cost a heck of a lot more than my 1st.

Just reading the new posts on here each day, every brand has its horror stories, there’s a long term dead Kia, Kona’s catching fire, App issues across all brands, i3 charging issues, you name it.

The ID.3 is popular right now, a lot are hitting the roads, there’s a lot of chatter about them and a few long running issues for some unfortunate owners. It reminds me of the Tesla M3 early days, or the Leaf ‘rapid gate’, the forums were full of cars with issues. It passed, as will the ID.3/4 woes.

 

[srichards]

@Jono63 Toss it back to VW. Immediate rejection. It's up to you then whether you go for a replacement car with all the software updated or just a full refund.

 

[Boxbrownie]

I think those Continental chaps are using Renesas R-Cars under the hood, which I think are themselves based on ARM Cortex (As and Rs I think). Assuming they've not removed/ignored the interrupt controller and fancy exception handlers (or bollocksed up the hypervisor), it should prevent the exact problem that @mrdr_ev describes - error handling is given priority (because it is safety critical) and everything else stops working if it runs out of grunt.

Yeah, that’s what I thought