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Hello,

Found this forum while searching for info regarding EVs and it seems great. We are thinking of buying a used Zoe as company car as it can cope with most of our trips, and it looks like the depreciation here in Portugal is quite steep. I probably try to find a R240 for the slightly longer range, we can charge at home so rapid charge not essential.
A lot of them seem to be 2015-2016 and only done 15-35000km, and most seem to be with leased battery and advertised at €11-13000. How do I calculate the premium for owning the battery? I am not too fussed with guarantees, I have never had a new car.
Anything I should be aware of? Anywhere with a good overview of the model names? So far the most frustrating thing is that they are all white - I like to have a car with colour.

PS: As you see I am in the Algarve. Cold weather is not a worry, but how powerful is the A/C?
 

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  • model overview is one of the first pinned posts https://www.speakev.com/threads/zoe-model-info.88161
  • A/C is FINE
  • if you can get one that is still in regular OEM warranty you might want to consider getting extended warranty. Or get an older one where it has been purchased (you can't purchase it if not done at end of OEM warranty). Mine has been very reliable, but if something breaks in the powertrain, it's constly
Owning premium: oh gosh, that is a can of worms that is raging on and on and on in this thread https://www.speakev.com/threads/battery-leasing-clear-as-mud.143158
 

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Thanks, I do lean toward owning.

Rule of thumb is not to insure losses you can afford. If needed, we can find the money for a new battery (but I would prefer not).
 

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Welcome. In UK the battery lease is a company expense so it works well for a business, but you will need to check with your accountant if that is the same in Portugal.

Here battery leases on 22kWh model start at £49 - how much are they in Portugal? What mileage will you be doing?

[Please can we avoid this thread turning into another flame war of leased vs. owned. It is getting very old now]
 

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Thank you.

It is a business expense here too. Can't find the list for battery lease for the older batteries at renault.pt, have to pass a dealer. We expect to do between 10 and 15000 km/year, hard to know exactly.

I try to keep from flame wars. OUR situation is that the company has good liquidity, i.e. cheap money.
 

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Regarding warranty

Zoe reliability rating: 82% - source: https://www.whatcar.com/news/2019-what-car-reliability-survey-electric-and-hybrid-cars/n20068
Owned mine (second hand) since around May 2018, in that time it's had:
BMS Update (covered under battery lease)
DC-DC converter repair (covered under warranty - probably would have cost 4 figures)
Charging circuit repair (covered under warranty - probably would have cost 4 figures)
Suspension arm ball joint (covered under warranty - unsure of cost normally, but nothing major)

I've not caught sight of a repair cost for any of these things but that's based on a lot of reading of other people's stories.

If you're in the 18% you'll get bitten hard without a warranty. Hopefully now I've extended it'll have the "umbrella effect" - sods law if I hadn't then some other 4 figure problem would have cropped up.

Bear in mind a couple of things. One is that Renault control the supply of spare parts until there are enough older Zoes broken down for parts for independent repair shops, and that means they can charge what they want. They've moved on from having to replace entire assemblies (a new PEC assembly was something like £5k? which translates to about the same in Euros) to opening them up and repairing components inside, but things will still cost a lot.

The other is that a lot of the components require about half a day's labour stripping the whole front of the car apart to access them. And if the dealer is clueless (presumably shipping it off to a known good one in Northern England is a bit of a stretch!) they might not even replace the correct part, and still want paying for everything they try.

Basically, repairs can get super expensive. I would personally not own a Zoe without one because of the above experience. But you pays your money and takes your chances etc, to each their own...
 

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15000km a year might be a bit expensive on battery lease - be interesting to find out cost there. That is quite a lot in a 100km range car - how will you be using it?

Like UK, I think battery owned 22kWh are rare there too? Here it tends to inflate price beyond what they are really worth IMO. I suspect they sell to people who do a long commute as they can justify cost.
 

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The total is based on that we do 18-20000km a year between the two cars we have now, and hope too move as much of that as possible to electric and reduce a bit. But the kid goes to school about 15km from here.
 

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The total is based on that we do 18-20000km a year between the two cars we have now, and hope too move as much of that as possible to electric and reduce a bit. But the kid goes to school about 15km from here.
the price for leased zoes is way too high in portugal to even consider (cant grab one for 5-7k like you can in the UK). go battery owned all the way
 

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I found a place called Byrdstore.com specialising in electrics, they seem to have two and compared to other similar models the price of the battery is €4-5000.
As an aside, during the search I came across an E-Up! from 2018 for €2000 more - must still be under guarantee. Decisions!
 
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