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I've started a new thread as previous dialogue had strayed from the 'thread'.

I've heard from Waitrose on the subject of ChargeMaster chargepoints at Waitrose Stores and here is the text:

"Thank you for getting in touch.
We currently do not charge for using the charge points in any our car park. Some of our car parks are not owned or run by us so we will not have any control if charge points are provided.
I have also been advised that the Chargemaster website will show Waitrose as being free to use once the charges have been introduced."

Reading between the lines, it appears that Charge Master may have tried to 'pull a fast one' on Waitrose; however, Waitrose have made Charge Master, withdraw charging in those locations where they control the parking! Chichester may become Chargeable - which will make trip to Goodwood problematic for me!

As post previously, I have also been in touch with ASDA and although there has been no confirmation yet, it seems likely that these locations will also be free!

The final question is whether we need to pay a subscription to get a 'free' charge - I'll let you know!
 

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Just who pays for the electricity from the charge points at public sites? Is it the site owner or Chargemaster?
 

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AFAIK the site owner. I also heard the site owner even has to pay for maintenance... can someone confirm that?
 

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Chargemaster have confirmed the £20 Polar Standard Charge applies to the use of the 'free' Waitrose chargepoints!
 

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What if you're PAYG or whatever they call the app version? Locked out?
Question wasn't posed. I don't think they are clear what the PAYG offering is - yet? However, I expect that its 'by subscription'.
 

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Posts in my local waitrose are podpoint under source east, so it's even more confusing :)

Hopefully stores will hold cards
 

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There are so many permutations Source East/ West/ London - how have they dealt with the issue? There some Charge Masters in Charge Your Car (CYC) territory and no doubt some in Scotland! There have been no signs that Chargemaster have mapped out the permutations. Certainly Waitrose gave the impression that they had to be told by users and had no contact from ChargeMaster.
Lots of chaos and agitated phone calls - over the last week!
However, I can't help thinking that (for the majority) the impact is very small indeed. For many of us the preponderance of 'rapids' is rendering the 'fast charger' obsolete.
In the last 6 months I can only remember 'needing' a fast charge once and that was in the Yorkshire 'black hole'.
Looking back 6 months, I remember protesting about the introduction of CYC charging, but if there was ever a user-revolt, I didn't hear about it! I guess that's what will happen again?
 

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Confused here also. I did contact Source West since I'm off to Bristol in a few weeks and often charge up in the city centre. Their points - though installed/branded chargemaster are under CYC management and currently free

Is London the same? Could it now be that the price will depend not only on the point but which card you use?

that being said any en-route will be via ecotricity whenever possible
 

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Chargemaster have confirmed the £20 Polar Standard Charge applies to the use of the 'free' Waitrose chargepoints!
Really? Where? I asked the same question in response to the "You must sign up: email and have had no reply. Who in Chargemaster? How has that been communicated? With fact I will approach Waitrose.
 

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Chargemaster have put it on their factsheet that the free stations will require a £20 membership to get the card. However, I have also asked the question and I suspect that Waitrose are currently working on a solution that doesn't require the £20 membership... such as having cards in-store that we can use.

I think this might be a case of watch this space for the moment as far as Waitrose is concerned :)
 

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I think this might be a case of watch this space for the moment as far as Waitrose is concerned :)
Never underestimate the PR dept of a supermarket ;-)
 

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it will be interesting to understand where the free stations are/how many there will be - and of course their access hours. Take for example waitrose abingdon. It's rapid charger used to be essential, 24x7 and would make paying a flat £20 worth it. Of course since that time we now have more chargers in the area so it's less of an issue. I'd certainly consider the £20 fee if there were a substantial number of stations offered "free" even though it frankly feels a little uncomfortable doing so.
 

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I think both scatter gun and directed approaches can work -- the latter can be a lot more fact based/focussed and perhaps engage in a more direct dialog, but at the same time if these companies here complaints from many users that provides additional evidence to back up those focussed discussions .... so I think we need both?
 

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Totally agree, no one organisation could or should try to represent all our diverse views, needs and opinions which clearly vary wildly from person to person, place to place.

It also helps highlight the real-world experience of those outside of any "bubble" these groups can often operate in.
 

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Grant, I cannot encourage this scatter-gun approach to tackling these companies.
If you join EVDA and act on behalf of EVDA Liasons Group (and in a transparent manner) to the community - then we can team on this?
I think you could be most effective and could act as a 'focal point' for designated companies?
Hi Brian, I have already congratulated you on your new association with EVDA. I actually joined the EVDA as a driver at it's inception by Matt Beard and support it's AIMS. I am very keen to understand if EVDA have ATTENDED any of the OLEV consultations or if the limit of involvement so far has been the same as all others under the call for evidence. I have also read the Open letter to Chargemaster from the EVDA but am unclear if there is any dialogue or contact beyond this.

I am all for openness, and hence my request at the origination of any fact, what I am keen to avoid is another one person or group being seen as the gatekeeper of information. As someone who has met face 2 face with OLEV, EST, Chargemaster, BMW, Nissan and many of the key companies involved in Electric Car adoption; I take exception to being labeled part of any scattergun and I do not recognise the EVDA as the only channel for anyone to voice a concern.

As you may have observed; I personally get far greater interaction via a Business Case approach to all of these companies and Government Agencies rather than a group of people only negatively reacting to change, which tend to not get a seat at the decision table.
 
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I see a place for both the organised, EVDA type approach and the so called "scatter-gun" approach of individuals although I don't like the term "scatter-gun" or another term you have used Brian... "shooting from the hip". I find these terms derogatory and rather dismissive of the both the important and effective message individuals can have and also of their delivery style... you, nor anyone else, not actually knowing either unless there are witnesses to the meeting or written communications are in an open format.

I do understand that you feel that a more organised approach is often beneficial and I don't disagree with that. However, I would be reluctant to discourage individual action if it is a measured and reasonable response.

I too support the EVDA aims as I have said but I don't subscribe to the EVDA being the one and only answer to any of these issues... although an organised and coordinated approach can be an effective and persuasive technique.
 
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