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Hello folks,
We have a company, do short trips under 20 miles most days and have solar panels, so a new PHEV company car is somewhat of a no-brainer.
Considered the Audi A3 e-tron - our mechanic friend says A3s aren't good cars. Considered the Mercedes C350e but it's too expensive.
So I've test driven the Passat GTE estate and found it to drive better than the Outlander and be more luxurious. It's more responsive and nippier even with a 1.4 engine.
It's also 6.5 grand more expensive when specifying to feature parity with the G4h, so we're about to go for the Outlander.
Do any of you have any regrets about buying one? Any irritating aspects of it?
Thanks.
 

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Phev is a great motor, irrating things all are the beeps it makes, it dosnt remember the settings you want so I have to turn off the external sounder, lane deviation, turn on Eco, set the display to the trip mode I like , just daft stuff the car is really nice to drive but I do fight with the wife trying to get my turn in our Leaf
 

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We have a company, do short trips under 20 miles most days and have solar panels, so a new PHEV company car
Is it a home business so the company car will be at home during the day? otherwise you won't get much sunlight into the battery.
I've had a PHEV for 2 years, and as others have said its fantastic if a lot of your trips are short and charging is cheap or free. Sure it beeps a lot, and doesn't power on with your personal preferences, however no car is perfect.
 

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Had mine since last August.Mostly short trips 70% EV. Overall great even performed well towing 1500kg caravan. Minor irritations include poor audio / Nav system that is far from intuitive to use & some switches not illuminated at night. Pluses massively outweigh irritations.
 

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Short trips under 20 miles per day? Go for a pure EV (better BIK rate too)!
Now you've done it. Test driving an Ioniq tomorrow. None landing in the spec we want until June!

Is it a home business so the company car will be at home during the day?
Yes.
I'm leaning towards the G4h so there is less beeping. I don't think we do enough motorway to warrant the 's' additional features. And the 5 doesn't really justify the extra £thousands.
 

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We got the G4h to get the reversing camera and SAT NAV but without the beeps. Both have been invaluable, and we've not missed the beeps so far :D It's also got an amazing amount of space for the rear passengers compared to all of the estate cars we looked at - must be the increased height, or the skinny front seats ;) (nowhere near as comfortable as our old Volvo S60 or even the Honda Accord we had).

We nearly bought a Passat Alltrack, but the emissions scandal erupted just in time! On balance I would say the Passat was a slightly better drive (being lower slung) and had a better quality interior - except for the engine stop/start technology which I hated. Does that exist on the GTE? The Mitsu changes between modes seamlessly most of the time - bar the odd response at higher speeds when the battery is flat.

What range does the Passat claim? You will find this becomes a very important figure! I would not replace our car with anything with a shorter range now, driving on pure electric is THAT pleasant ;) The Mitsu range is 32 miles NEDC which is ridiculously optimistic. The EPA figures are much more accurate, but don't cover all cars. Reading owners forums, 24-26 miles range seems about average for the Mitsu (in average weather).
 

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Hello folks,
We have a company, do short trips under 20 miles most days and have solar panels, so a new PHEV company car is somewhat of a no-brainer.
Considered the Audi A3 e-tron - our mechanic friend says A3s aren't good cars. Considered the Mercedes C350e but it's too expensive.
So I've test driven the Passat GTE estate and found it to drive better than the Outlander and be more luxurious. It's more responsive and nippier even with a 1.4 engine.
It's also 6.5 grand more expensive when specifying to feature parity with the G4h, so we're about to go for the Outlander.
Do any of you have any regrets about buying one? Any irritating aspects of it?
Thanks.
DON'T buy one.
 

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I have owned a Passat GTE Advance estate for just over a month now and I love it refined and economical my fuel bill has dropped from £300 per month in my Golf GTD estate to £47 last month, no electric bill yet lol, I test drove the Mitsubishi Outlander in fact had a 48h test drive the only plus to me was the 4wd when the bad weather is here otherwise the Passat is much more refined IMHO

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Well had my 4H 2 weeks, 1000 miles on it already and IT IS great. I had a Auris Hybrid Sport extate and it was flawless for the last 3 years. I wanted to go plugin and I neede the range as I do a lot of short trips and quite a few long ones so pure electric is not feasible currently. I have not yet charged it on public chargers other than through a hotel window. I am waiting for my Chargemaster 32 amp point slow using the brick every night. The only grip I have is the steering is a but vague if the road has tyre grooves in it. I suspect it is down to the Toyo tyres so Michelin's when they need replacing. My wife loves it and I had a towbar fitted by the dealer so will feedback on that when I can try it. I am sure it wil be heavier towing than my VW T5 but this is nt something we do everyday. I am carful where I park in the multi storey but I have always been like that, so not dings on the side panels of any of my cars in the past. (Probably just jinxed it). I tis not a rocket but gets up and goes fine. If you have not had a hybrid before it takes a little work to get the best out of them. Enough said we are very happy.

The last 1000 miles have mostly been motorway at 70 mph average if you know what I mean. I could improve it by slowing down bit. Not a boy racer but rather a steady cruise control guy if that makes sense.

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Well had my 4H 2 weeks, 1000 miles on it already and IT IS great. I had a Auris Hybrid Sport extate and it was flawless for the last 3 years. I wanted to go plugin and I neede the range as I do a lot of short trips and quite a few long ones so pure electric is not feasible currently. I have not yet charged it on public chargers other than through a hotel window. I am waiting for my Chargemaster 32 amp point slow using the brick every night. The only grip I have is the steering is a but vague if the road has tyre grooves in it. I suspect it is down to the Toyo tyres so Michelin's when they need replacing. My wife loves it and I had a towbar fitted by the dealer so will feedback on that when I can try it. I am sure it wil be heavier towing than my VW T5 but this is nt something we do everyday. I am carful where I park in the multi storey but I have always been like that, so not dings on the side panels of any of my cars in the past. (Probably just jinxed it). I tis not a rocket but gets up and goes fine. If you have not had a hybrid before it takes a little work to get the best out of them. Enough said we are very happy.

The last 1000 miles have mostly been motorway at 70 mph average if you know what I mean. I could improve it by slowing down bit. Not a boy racer but rather a steady cruise control guy if that makes sense.

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Overall how much are u saving on fuel then?with 30 mile range can't be that much if ure doing lots of 70mph miles?
 

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Hi Nihad,

65% of last years journeys were less than 15 miles round trip, 10% were long journeys. This year there will be more short than long. The last 3 years I have had a Toyota Auris Hybrid, I need a tow car. I want more comfort, I live in the countryside and I just wanted one. Hope that explains my decision. It is not for everyone and not all decisions are based on hard facts but satisfied my pros and cons list. Everybody needs to decide for themselves. I needed to achieve a real long distance fuel economy of 35 MPG or more. I have done that and more.

Happiness is a Outlander PHEV
 

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Very happy with the car itself, driving is as others have said, needs different tyres but looks like these Toyos will last forever. :)
When I have to do motorway driving I find the ACC is brilliant, wouldn't be without it now.
My main regret is buying it outright, I should have gone for PCP.
I aim to keep it for at least 6 or 7 years so I think it will work out alright in the end.
The 2016 model has all the subtle niggles fixed as far as I can see, so if there is no obvious winner in the 4x4 BEV race by 2020 then I may well buy a secondhand one then.
 

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Hi Nihad,

65% of last years journeys were less than 15 miles round trip, 10% were long journeys. This year there will be more short than long. The last 3 years I have had a Toyota Auris Hybrid, I need a tow car. I want more comfort, I live in the countryside and I just wanted one. Hope that explains my decision. It is not for everyone and not all decisions are based on hard facts but satisfied my pros and cons list. Everybody needs to decide for themselves. I needed to achieve a real long distance fuel economy of 35 MPG or more. I have done that and more.

Happiness is a Outlander PHEV
So 65% of ur miles wudve been pure electric last yr? Or am I mistaking this? That wud be a massive fuel saving surely? My electric car cost me 1.5 p per mile and my petrol 10 times that, and rising!
 

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Here is a long list of little bugs and other annoying feature of the PHEV .. but possibly nothing that can be a show stopper for a buying decision.

List of bugs and odds from the PHEV

Bugs
MMCS bug -> Charging Timer page on MMCS don't work, and block car charging if WiFi apps have been used
MMCS bug -> Climate Control Timer page on MMCS don't work .. if WiFi apps have been used
MMCS bug -> Charging Cost page, show a flat graph (overflow issue), instead of been accurate, only correct data is last charge
MMCS bug -> Energy ECO page in MMCS show the value for current and average kwh/100km .. which is a total random number
MMCS bug -> Graph of mpg can't show more then 180 (similar to flat graph issue on Charging Cost)

Wrong design decision
- 1cm of acceleration travel control without engage ICE
- Almost useless ECO mode, and missing real EV mode
- If accelerator is pressed a bit more over the 60kw power mark .. ICE start, and can start full power from cold, only for the few seconds needed for the eventual overtake ... which happen with a delay in power ... they could use a burst of current from the battery instead and activate ICE only if the accelerator is pressed over the 60kw mark for more then 5 or 10 seconds.
- Unwanted ICE starts if cabin temperature is too cold for warm up the car inside
- Limited power / Torque limit up to 60km/h, causing a slow acceleration .. 4x4 & 120kw could have be used more effectively
- WiFi password not visible on MMCS, if lost, is almost impossible to recover it
- 20 click and 40 click of activate and deactivate WiFi ... instead of easy access on MMCS
- Rear trunk opening, is impossible if car is locked (is more safe to load and unload from trunk without having to unlock the passenger seat doors)
- Push button on the car door , instead of touch control or car opening detect (like BMW is using)
- Car key have no rechargeable battery not a slot for properly hold and charge inside the car
- 12V Lead Acid battery ... that is self discharging and a waste of energy by nature ... when car has a 12Kwh battery pack ... is 110% waste ... BUT ... it is looking like the car automotive standard ... main battery is 300v and this should be disconnected from the car when car is "off" .. 12v power line should be always there .. so for avoid having a load or a connection on the main battery .. old 12V lead acid battery is used ... they could have used a 12V Lithium .. but LeadAcid is "cheaper" for car producer (including Tesla)
- Only 1 timer programmable per day ... is really needed to save bits of memory in the current era with Mega and Gigabyte that cost close to zero ?
- If not pressing on the acceleration pedal, car want to slowly start ... why emulate the limit of an ICE automatic transmission?
- If little press of brake is used, still car want to power the electric engine as the point above ... making a waste of energy and almost impossible to have a smooth car stop
- B2/B3/B4/B5 selection is lost not only when car is restarted, but also at any time is changed from D to N or R mode
- No light behind the buttons on the driver doors .. impossible to operate them in the dark unless people know them by hart the location
- No light behind the MMCS 3 touch buttons ... again not
- Uncomfortable and hidden location of the button for activate the trunk opening, disable the fake car sound, etc ... disable the car fake sound can cause to open accidentally the trunk
- Cup holders in the boot, inherit from 7 version seat ?
- Uncomfortable location of the buttons for activate seat heating, also 3 position switch make it hard to switch off the seat heat without looking at them .. and to look at them require take away the view from the street
- Total range indicator "disappear" when few litres are left in the tank .. so it has to know if there is 30/40 or 50 km left of range ... BMW does keep providing info till 1km range is left (clearly there is still some spare fuel even when goes to zero), Dacia was doing similar, with no more information when 90km range was left .. Mitsubishi Outlander range approach is looking cheap and inconvenient, especially in a car that has EV mode and mainly with ha very small tank of only 45 litres

Cheap solutions:
- On board charger with J1772 up to 16A ... 32A on J1772 available on competitors and in some EV charging points too
- MMCS with resistive touch screen instead of capacitive touch screen, not only the easy usage of it is compromised, but a glass screen capacitive touch screen will be more durable in a car which should have 20y of expected life

Undesirable end result
- Very high fuel consumption after EV usage is not possible due to low battery voltage.
- Only 170km/h top speed
- MMCS navigation maps are extremely expensive
 

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Here is a long list of little bugs and other annoying feature of the PHEV .. but possibly nothing that can be a show stopper for a buying decision.

List of bugs and odds from the PHEV

Bugs
MMCS bug -> Charging Timer page on MMCS don't work, and block car charging if WiFi apps have been used
MMCS bug -> Climate Control Timer page on MMCS don't work .. if WiFi apps have been used
MMCS bug -> Charging Cost page, show a flat graph (overflow issue), instead of been accurate, only correct data is last charge
MMCS bug -> Energy ECO page in MMCS show the value for current and average kwh/100km .. which is a total random number
MMCS bug -> Graph of mpg can't show more then 180 (similar to flat graph issue on Charging Cost)

Wrong design decision
- 1cm of acceleration travel control without engage ICE
- Almost useless ECO mode, and missing real EV mode
- If accelerator is pressed a bit more over the 60kw power mark .. ICE start, and can start full power from cold, only for the few seconds needed for the eventual overtake ... which happen with a delay in power ... they could use a burst of current from the battery instead and activate ICE only if the accelerator is pressed over the 60kw mark for more then 5 or 10 seconds.
- Unwanted ICE starts if cabin temperature is too cold for warm up the car inside
- Limited power / Torque limit up to 60km/h, causing a slow acceleration .. 4x4 & 120kw could have be used more effectively
- WiFi password not visible on MMCS, if lost, is almost impossible to recover it
- 20 click and 40 click of activate and deactivate WiFi ... instead of easy access on MMCS
- Rear trunk opening, is impossible if car is locked (is more safe to load and unload from trunk without having to unlock the passenger seat doors)
- Push button on the car door , instead of touch control or car opening detect (like BMW is using)
- Car key have no rechargeable battery not a slot for properly hold and charge inside the car
- 12V Lead Acid battery ... that is self discharging and a waste of energy by nature ... when car has a 12Kwh battery pack ... is 110% waste ... BUT ... it is looking like the car automotive standard ... main battery is 300v and this should be disconnected from the car when car is "off" .. 12v power line should be always there .. so for avoid having a load or a connection on the main battery .. old 12V lead acid battery is used ... they could have used a 12V Lithium .. but LeadAcid is "cheaper" for car producer (including Tesla)
- Only 1 timer programmable per day ... is really needed to save bits of memory in the current era with Mega and Gigabyte that cost close to zero ?
- If not pressing on the acceleration pedal, car want to slowly start ... why emulate the limit of an ICE automatic transmission?
- If little press of brake is used, still car want to power the electric engine as the point above ... making a waste of energy and almost impossible to have a smooth car stop
- B2/B3/B4/B5 selection is lost not only when car is restarted, but also at any time is changed from D to N or R mode
- No light behind the buttons on the driver doors .. impossible to operate them in the dark unless people know them by hart the location
- No light behind the MMCS 3 touch buttons ... again not
- Uncomfortable and hidden location of the button for activate the trunk opening, disable the fake car sound, etc ... disable the car fake sound can cause to open accidentally the trunk
- Cup holders in the boot, inherit from 7 version seat ?
- Uncomfortable location of the buttons for activate seat heating, also 3 position switch make it hard to switch off the seat heat without looking at them .. and to look at them require take away the view from the street
- Total range indicator "disappear" when few litres are left in the tank .. so it has to know if there is 30/40 or 50 km left of range ... BMW does keep providing info till 1km range is left (clearly there is still some spare fuel even when goes to zero), Dacia was doing similar, with no more information when 90km range was left .. Mitsubishi Outlander range approach is looking cheap and inconvenient, especially in a car that has EV mode and mainly with ha very small tank of only 45 litres

Cheap solutions:
- On board charger with J1772 up to 16A ... 32A on J1772 available on competitors and in some EV charging points too
- MMCS with resistive touch screen instead of capacitive touch screen, not only the easy usage of it is compromised, but a glass screen capacitive touch screen will be more durable in a car which should have 20y of expected life

Undesirable end result
- Very high fuel consumption after EV usage is not possible due to low battery voltage.
- Only 170km/h top speed
- MMCS navigation maps are extremely expensive
To be fair, a lot of the MMCS problems have been fixed in the 2015/2016 models. I think you can get a firmware upgrade that helps a lot but when I asked my main dealer garage about it they didn't understand what I wanted.
The ICE start "problems" may not be a real problem if you do most of your miles as EV, because you have to burn 15 litres of fuel every 3 months to maintain the ICE (petrol can "go off" in fuel lines if not used regularly). So you may as well burn the fuel when you are using it to do stuff rather than be forced to burn it when you don't want to.
But you do make a lot of valid points. :whistle:
 

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Yes .. the 3 months old fuel issue, that cause to start ICE .. is also a bad point on my book, but I did not put in the list above

There is a workaround solution for it .. at least I was told, but I never had occasion to test it .. disconnecting the battey for few minutes, will cause to reset the data in charge for count the 3 months for consumer or update the fuel in the tank

I may understand that keep for long the same fuel in the fuel pomp and other element, maybe not idea .. but consider a 3 months old fuel in the tank , as bad fuel, is quite extreme ...

Anyhow .... it is the only 4x4 PHEV (I'm happy with 40km of EV range, and have no range limit using ICE, I don't see mayself ever spending 30min at any tank/charging station for top up the battery ... what if somebody is in front at charging station .. stuck for over 1h before able to continue ... not a way for me .. EV cars are good to be charged only at home or for who is lucky to charge in the office ... else ... make little sense)

For the price that I paid for my Outlander .. yes .. I would have not expected so many odd in the cars ... but all in all ... the advantage well compensate the disadvantage
 
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