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http:// https://www.whatcar.com/news/renault-zoe-long-term-test-review/

They have a Zoe 90 quick charge on a 12 month test

Interested in what ' actual' long term Zoe owners think on this .

I was hoping for an open minded review . however the preamble again seems loaded with moto-journo prejudice and myth:-
if you speak to some of the engineers at car manufacturers, EVs aren’t necessarily the future of motoring
to quick-charge thousands of these super-batteries would bring down the UK's national electricity grid.
those same engineers ..agree the hydrogen fuel cell will eventually rule the motoring world,
great start ... :(

we'll see whether their opinion is modified by experience ?
 

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I was hoping for an open minded review . however the preamble again seems loaded with moto-journo prejudice and myth:-
The problem with asking Engineers working in the automotive industry (like me) what the future holds is that their views are shaped by their experience. That experience is pretty much 100% ICE powered vehicles and when the pure EV is compared to them they fall down on cost, range and manufacturability so tend to get thrown out by the selection criteria people have been used to applying. The cost issue is of course down to the battery but at present automotive battery packs are in very low volume niche production compared to ICE components so will be many times more expensive than they cold be. The energy density of batteries is much lower than gasoline and the weight penalty exists whether the battery is full or empty and the EV components do not fit into a conventional vehicles manufacturing line so require completely new lines if designed optimally.

In terms of fuelling most automotive engineers still think in terms of how people fill their cars currently ie: visiting filling stations, ie: they don't get that the majority of BEV owners fill their cars up overnight so topping up is only typically for longer trips. Now that doesn't of course apply to all users - inner city flat dwellers for example, but even there the option exists to slow charge while doing something else - shopping, working etc - which isn't a possibility with an ICE because you have to manage the filling process in person. The idea the grid would collapse if everyone switched to EVs is totally bonkers - firstly it won't happen instantly and secondly everyone won't be filling up using rapids at the exact same time.

In comparison, FCEV vehicles have roughly the same design concept as an ICE with a power unit, fuel tank, exhaust etc so fit into the conventional mindset. IMHO they also have the advantage that they're 10-15 years off being a practical proposition so there's no urgency to make any radical changes. In the automotive industry radical ideas tend to be stamped on at birth because the money is to be made in large volume with minimal changes.

Finally the problem for the existing Powertrain Engineers is that their hard won skills are mostly useless for developing EVs and the resources required are a lot less so their jobs are at threat. It's like any disruptive technology (one that doesn't fit in the existing pattern), the experts are the last people you should approach for an opinion!
 
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