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Friday's terror attack on London Bridge provides PM Johnson an emotional topic 'outside his control' to appear strong about. Through this timely exogenous event the PM can renew support from the masses.

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Through this timely exogenous event the PM can renew support from the masses.
Unless the fact that the perpetrator was a "convicted terrorist" (i.e. he had been convicted of and served a sentence for "terrorism offences") who had been let loose rebounds on the government of the day (i.e. BoJo) for being "too lenient towards terrorists"...
 

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Unless the fact that the perpetrator was a "convicted terrorist" (i.e. he had been convicted of and served a sentence for "terrorism offences") who had been let loose rebounds on the government of the day (i.e. BoJo) for being "too lenient towards terrorists"...
especially as the coalition government was in place when he was sentenced and the automatic release policy was in play. They can try and fob off the blame to labour but they didn’t fix it when they came to power, nor have they proposed anything substantial to fix it in their manifesto


I really hope Marr has done his homework on this
 

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PM Johnson blames Remainers for terrorist's release and attack because “broken hung parliament was preoccupied with blocking Brexit”.


No accountability and no integrity. Demand Better.
 

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The NYTimes have summed up this election perfectly

It is frustrating and alarming that what is so obvious from across the Atlantic doesn't seem to have dawned on 40% of the electorate in the UK. And, with our outdated voting system, that's all the Tories need.
 

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Is that supposed to play well with his 'base'?
I suspect Boris' promise to increase prison sentences (without increasing prison budgets) went down well with Daily Mail headline readers - whose focus is currently on Prince Andrew's tax receipts. This is a wet dishcloth society.

In other media, the IPP topic that emerged in response to the most recent terror attack is a half-baked diversion as no party supported it. Historic political views of Labour, Conservative, and Liberal Democrat heavyweights:

(I found the McNally read more insightful)

Could actual threats to society stem from budget cuts across justice/police/prison systems?!


The only political disgrace here is PM Johnson trying to distance himself from root causes by blaming Conservatives for ending IPP, and blaming Conservatives for not accepting May's exit agreement. Will he stand as an Independent?!
 

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HAving read that, and taking it at face value, it was the Court of Appeal that made the mistake, then altered the Crown Curt judgement and put in place a sentence which had an automatic release feature, whereas the Crown Court sentence, if completed, would necessitate a Parole Board hearing.

Am I reading that right?

In which case, surely we need new laws to restrict the powers of the Courts, such as anyone having the right to question any court decision by a body who oversees the implementation of Government legislation.

I have been arguing this for years ... it is not enough for Gov to simply say 'ah, the judiciary are independent', that is blithering nonsense. The courts implement what they think Parliament has enacted, ergo it is for Parliament to check whether what they intended is what is happening, and then change the law if it is not. Parliament makes no checks, so 'unintended consequences' to legislation, not at all intended or voted on in Parliament, go on for decades.
 

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I suspect Boris' promise to increase prison sentences (without increasing prison budgets) went down very well Daily Mail headline readers; not least because their focus is currently on Prince Andrew's tax receipts. This is a wet dishcloth society.

The IPP topic that emerged in response to the most recent terror attack is a half-baked diversion as no party supported it. Historic political views of Labour, Conservative, and Liberal Democrat heavyweights:

(I found the McNally read more insightful)

Could actual threats to society stem from budget cuts across justice/police/prison systems?!


The only political disgrace here is that PM Johnson is trying to distance himself from accountability by blaming Conservatives for ending IPP, and blaming Conservatives for not accepting May's exit agreement. Will he stand as an Independent?!
As a country, our reaction is always to lock more people up and for longer with little thought given to rehabilitation. Our politicians also seem unable to accept that there is no perfect system, mistakes will be made. The quest to make us 100% safe at the cost of our basic freedoms continues.
 

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HAving read that, and taking it at face value, it was the Court of Appeal that made the mistake, then altered the Crown Curt judgement and put in place a sentence which had an automatic release feature, whereas the Crown Court sentence, if completed, would necessitate a Parole Board hearing.

Am I reading that right?

In which case, surely we need new laws to restrict the powers of the Courts, such as anyone having the right to question any court decision by a body who oversees the implementation of Government legislation.

I have been arguing this for years ... it is not enough for Gov to simply say 'ah, the judiciary are independent', that is blithering nonsense. The courts implement what they think Parliament has enacted, ergo it is for Parliament to check whether what they intended is what is happening, and then change the law if it is not. Parliament makes no checks, so 'unintended consequences' to legislation, not at all intended or voted on in Parliament, go on for decades.
Politicians seem happy to scapegoat the courts when they are just following what legislation really means rather than what politicians planned / thought / hoped / guessed* it would mean when created.

* delete as applicable.
 

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As a country, our reaction is always to lock more people up and for longer with little thought given to rehabilitation. Our politicians also seem unable to accept that there is no perfect system, mistakes will be made. The quest to make us 100% safe at the cost of our basic freedoms continues.
I accept your wider point, but in terms of what prison is actually for...

Does this not imply that if rehabilitation is impossible then they must be committed to incarceration for the duration of their life?

I'm just asking, because there is both rehabilitation and also just a straight forward punishment which can then be 'spent' and the person moves on with life. We used to send people to penal colonies for stealing a loaf of bread, was that rehabilitation or punishment?
 

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It's called free press. Ask your friend Putin about it.
Yea, he mentioned to me the other day how RT has been shut down in Bolivia because of the CIA inspired coup.

I don't think the CIA appreciate a free press.

(note, the CIA involvement is not my allegation, but to be fair it is not a stretch of imagination Just to clarify that this remains an allegation.)

It should be a topic here, actually. Bolivia, that country with a lot of lithium, is seen as the next 'oil rich' country and USA wants a piece of the lithium pie, so the military ousted democratically elected socialist Morales. Anez then assumed power with no democratic or election processes at all, but seemingly with the CIAs blessing.

Morales 'offence'... he's been the only person in history to reduce poverty in his country by exploiting its resources for the poor rather than the rich.

RT's 'offence'? They broadcast an interview with him, that joined up all the dots to the CIA.

Lithium ... the new 'oil' and new motivation for coups and wars ....
 

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so the military ousted democratically elected socialist Morales and Anez assumed power with no democratic or election processes at all.
My American friends reminded me that the USA has a long and proud history of undermining and overthrowing democratically elected governments. Mainly in South America.

So they thought Russian meddling was only fair.
 

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....... We used to send people to penal colonies for stealing a loaf of bread, was that rehabilitation or punishment?
A free workforce for the colony was the plan, more than anything else. I suppose it did show that having a decent opportunity after completing a sentence worked for a lot of 'criminals'.
 

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A free workforce for the colony was the plan, more than anything else. I suppose it did show that having a decent opportunity after completing a sentence worked for a lot of 'criminals'.
Weren't they also free to return to the UK once their sentence was served? Although most just stayed on...
 
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