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Good Evening,

Just waiting for the new car to be delivered and not had to worry about buying another charging cable till now.

Due to circumstances (don't ask) I need a 7.5 or 10m Type 2 cable.

What do people recommend or are they all much of a muchness?

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Depends which type of car you are getting.

Will it 3 phase charge?

What make / model is it?
 

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Good Point, no, will be single phase for home use!
They are quite a bit cheaper than the 3 phase ones.

I have found EV OneStop | EV charging Cables & Charging Stations to be pretty reasonable on price and the quality of the items I have purchased from them has been good.

A 10m cable can be a bit of a handful to coil up and bulky to carry, if your planning on keeping it in the car you may struggle to get one to stow in your cars charging cable cubby if it has such a thing.

Although single phase cables are a little thinner than 3 phase ones.

do you need a longer cable so you don’t have to play “musical cars” when you have 2 vehicles parked at home?
 

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Have a look on 4EV, length of cable is really dependent on how close you can get the charge door on your car to your home charger, sometimes 7.5m is a push for me, depending on how my wife parks her car.
 

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They are quite a bit cheaper than the 3 phase ones.

I have found EV OneStop | EV charging Cables & Charging Stations to be pretty reasonable on price and the quality of the items I have purchased from them has been good.

A 10m cable can be a bit of a handful to coil up and bulky to carry, if your planning on keeping it in the car you may struggle to get one to stow in your cars charging cable cubby if it has such a thing.

Although single phase cables are a little thinner than 3 phase ones.

do you need a longer cable so you don’t have to play “musical cars” when you have 2 vehicles parked at home?
Yep, you got it!

I will have a 5m in the car for when out and about and this one will live in the meter cupboard although have seen some people say the longer cable is 'handy' for ICED spaces! ;):ROFLMAO:
 

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Have a look on 4EV, length of cable is really dependent on how close you can get the charge door on your car to your home charger, sometimes 7.5m is a push for me, depending on how my wife parks her car.
I have the same issue hence thinking 10m to be comfortable!
 

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Just joined this forum specifically to gen up on the cable issues. Have an Mercedes EQC on order expected end of July. It comes with a 4m type 2 3 phase 32amp cable and has an onboard charger of 11kw. I have a newly installed monophase 32 amp wallbox to give 7.2 kw charge but there are plenty of 22kw ac chargers about so having a 3 phase 32 amp will enable me to achieve 11kw. A longer cable would be good for home use and I would use it when off on holiday in case of trouble with access. Mercedes sell an 8m cable but the price is more than double any of the specialist cable companies thrown up onInternet searches charge but it is made by Mennekes the designers of the type 2 plug. What I am unsure about is whether there are any chips in the cables which provide some connection control and also whether the quality of the cable and plug components differ much or if a cable is a cable. Certainly in other fields not all cables are equal so I am cautious about buying. I am also thinking of future proofing as I anticipate swapping the EQC ina couple of years for an EQE and uprating the wallbox to a 3 phase which I can do as I have a 3 phase supply reduced to mono phase. Anyone any thoughts and experiences to share?
 

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Just joined this forum specifically to gen up on the cable issues. Have an Mercedes EQC on order expected end of July. It comes with a 4m type 2 3 phase 32amp cable and has an onboard charger of 11kw. I have a newly installed monophase 32 amp wallbox to give 7.2 kw charge but there are plenty of 22kw ac chargers about so having a 3 phase 32 amp will enable me to achieve 11kw. A longer cable would be good for home use and I would use it when off on holiday in case of trouble with access. Mercedes sell an 8m cable but the price is more than double any of the specialist cable companies thrown up onInternet searches charge but it is made by Mennekes the designers of the type 2 plug. What I am unsure about is whether there are any chips in the cables which provide some connection control and also whether the quality of the cable and plug components differ much or if a cable is a cable. Certainly in other fields not all cables are equal so I am cautious about buying. I am also thinking of future proofing as I anticipate swapping the EQC ina couple of years for an EQE and uprating the wallbox to a 3 phase which I can do as I have a 3 phase supply reduced to mono phase. Anyone any thoughts and experiences to share?
You can purchase 3 phase cables that have different ratings, (11 or 22kW)

Cables do tell the BMS in the car what their maximum rating is.

if you want to future proof yourself just purchase a 22kW 3 phase cable.
 

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The lightest and easiest to handle cable is the thin, tough, stuff used by EV Charge King. I've changed both our charge points over to this cable, as one needs a 10m length, and this stuff just coils up neatly and isn't as heavy as some other cables. There's no problem coiling up a 10m Type 2 to Type 2 lead made from this stuff either, as I have one of those too, and it barely takes up any more room when stowed in the car than the old 5m cable used to.

 

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I’ve just bought a replacement 32A 1ph 10m tethered T2 cable to replace the 5m T1 on my Zappi charger - bought from EVBitz. Martin at EVBitz makes them to order so could be worth speaking to if you want something unusual or a custom length.
 

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The lightest and easiest to handle cable is the thin, tough, stuff used by EV Charge King. I've changed both our charge points over to this cable, as one needs a 10m length, and this stuff just coils up neatly and isn't as heavy as some other cables. There's no problem coiling up a 10m Type 2 to Type 2 lead made from this stuff either, as I have one of those too, and it barely takes up any more room when stowed in the car than the old 5m cable used to.

Thanks for the link I shall investigate. Having literally just had a steam cleaner go wrong this am with a burn out of the on off switch I am reminded that electricity is not something to mess about with especially at the level the cars use to charge🙄
 

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Thanks for the link I shall investigate. Having literally just had a steam cleaner go wrong this am with a burn out of the on off switch I am reminded that electricity is not something to mess about with especially at the level the cars use to charge🙄

I've seen more than my fair share of dodgy electrical stuff, TBH, including a Chinese made cable that I bought back in 2013 from what I thought to be a reputable UK supplier (Rolec). The insulation on that cable just went very soft and allowed the internal conductors to sort of twist and knot up inside. At least with cable that's made in Europe there's a better chance that it has actually been manufactured to the safety and quality standards it's supposed to. I'm near-certain that the Chinese made cable I had wasn't, as I've never seen heavy duty flex do what that cable did.
 

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I've seen more than my fair share of dodgy electrical stuff, TBH, including a Chinese made cable that I bought back in 2013 from what I thought to be a reputable UK supplier (Rolec). The insulation on that cable just went very soft and allowed the internal conductors to sort of twist and knot up inside. At least with cable that's made in Europe there's a better chance that it has actually been manufactured to the safety and quality standards it's supposed to. I'm near-certain that the Chinese made cable I had wasn't, as I've never seen heavy duty flex do what that cable did.
Indeed so much of the stuff they produce is price lead yet they can make high quality too look at iPads and iPhones for example and all the German car makers have factories there. It is the fear of sub standard cables or fittings that is exercising me. As the car is leased I also wish to avoid any complications should things not work correctly along the lines of not down to us you used a dodgy cable…….I can get an 8m Mercedes cable 3 phase 32 amp for a couple hundred more than ev charge king. Interestingly my dealer has priced it on the part no I located elsewhere but has ref only a mono phase 20 A as being for the EQC. I know I am the first they have supplied with an EQC having only just been cleared to sell all electric so would not be surprised if my parts contact is behind the knowledge curve and has not researched it deeply ( I live in rural france). I am aware the car only has an 11kw on board charger but there are lots of 22kw public chargers about so I assume to get up to the 11kw I will need a 3 phase cable and as I said hopefully it will be future proofed. Is my logic sound🤔
 

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I've always found once you reach a certain "quality" of charging cable, they are much of a muchness.

In other words, you can get some pretty cheap ones which I would personally avoid. Generally if you're spending around £120-150 on a Type 2 single-phase 32A cable (5-metres) I have found most to be decent.
 

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Thanks to everyone who responded. An update I have bitten the bullet and ordered the Mercedes one. I know I am paying more than I need too but I have had such a bad experience this year with new items going wrong (4 new things bought 4 new things kaput in a short space of time ranging from an electric logsplitter to a steam mop!) that I have decided to stick to Mercedes so if and when the car charging does not work as it should (expectation management on my part) at least they cannot blame my cable😉 my dealer has given me a healthy discount which is helpful but it prudence Does come at a price🙄
 

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At the risk of being pedantic, the cable tells the charger and the charger tells the car. Either way, it’s to an international standard and not manufacturer specific.

At the risk of being even more pedantic the cable does both. There's a resistor between PP and PE at each end of the cable. At the charge point end the value of that resistor tells the charge point the rating of the cable. At the vehicle end the value of that resistor tells the charger (in the car) the cable rating. It's a double check, so as well as the charge point not advertising more current than the cable rating, the charger will also not request more current than the cable can handle, even if the charge point does somehow advertise a higher current availability.

If the resistor is missing at either end of a Type 2 to Type 2 lead then the cable shouldn't work, assuming that both the charge point and the charger are compliant with IEC61851.
 

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At the risk of being even more pedantic the cable does both. There's a resistor between PP and PE at each end of the cable. At the charge point end the value of that resistor tells the charge point the rating of the cable. At the vehicle end the value of that resistor tells the charger (in the car) the cable rating. It's a double check, so as well as the charge point not advertising more current than the cable rating, the charger will also not request more current than the cable can handle, even if the charge point does somehow advertise a higher current availability.

If the resistor is missing at either end of a Type 2 to Type 2 lead then the cable shouldn't work, assuming that both the charge point and the charger are compliant with IEC61851.
Thank you for all the information you provide for people like me for whom electrics are totally out of my sphere of experience it is a steep learning curve to get to grips with the basics. As presented electric cars and home charging are pretty much plug and play for a lot of people BUT one can see on these forums not for everyone. And having the necessary basics explained in the way you do is very helpful. It is why I am currently lurking on various forums to gain as much background info as poss. Chapeau as we say here😉
 

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Thank you for all the information you provide for people like me for whom electrics are totally out of my sphere of experience it is a steep learning curve to get to grips with the basics. As presented electric cars and home charging are pretty much plug and play for a lot of people BUT one can see on these forums not for everyone. And having the necessary basics explained in the way you do is very helpful. It is why I am currently lurking on various forums to gain as much background info as poss. Chapeau as we say here😉
It can be very confusing which is why we spend so much time, as installers, actually writing content/making videos trying to simplify things (as best we can anyway).

There is an argument that home charge points are "too smart". Once you get used to the act of charging and using the app etc, it's quite easy, but for first timers (which we all were at some point) it is all rather baffling and seems unnecessary. i.e. "why would I want a charge schedule/history/price limit?" etc etc.

It seems obvious to EV "veterans", but it is anything but to most. Fortunately the home charging points have improved significantly in the past couple of years and I hope as competition increases so does the quality/user friendliness of the charging products.

p.s. not a comment on any particular products, as there are some very good ones right now, but just an observation of the industry as a whole.
 
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