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Ok, unfortunates on zero hours contracts and the unempolyed have very little chance of work in the forseeable future, young people at schools / Colleges / Universities are no longer receiving an education and hence being kept busy, lots are required to quarantine in an unregulated way. Inequality has never been higher, the super rich are able to self-isolate and gloat about it on InstaTwitBook in their luxury boltholes.
The current estimates from Imperial College are that this will continue through 2021 so little hope for an immediate improvement in the lives of the disillusioned and bored. All in all, the ingredients of a rioting season. London is as usual ahead of the rest of the Country, so when will it start?
Will it be widespread thefts, or mindless destruction? Will particular communities (immigrants are generally heavily attacked and already the traditional arguments of them having stretched our infrastructure are rife and now include the 20% population growth since free movement for the accession EU states without similar increases in the NHS capacity) be targetted?
The numbers in our armed forces have been cut considerably (money being spent instead on 5th generation stealth fighters and aircraft carriers, and of course the nuclear deterrent) and a significant number are committed overseas in wars that have caused considerable dislocation of communities, the Police numbers were allowed to drop under austerity along with misguided changes to policing policy meaning that the "by consent" maxim has been undermined. So who will be stopping it?
In the 1980's I was working in Derby for Rolls-Royce and had to travel regularly to Barnoldswick where we carried out testing. It became normal to be stopped 3 - 4 times in the 150 mile journey despite being in a brand new company car and interrogated as to whether we were flying pickets. It appears to be the same for essential workers in Spain and Italy, so no doubt will be soon here. Already Italy has fined 40,000 people for breaking the self-isolation rules.
I give it until Sunday afternoon, but sincerely hope that I am wrong and that the better side of the public spirit is shown to be dominant.
 

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There's some sweeping generalisations in your thought process.
The vast majority of people who were charged with rioting and looting during the summer riots of 2011 were British nationals even if they were of BAME origins, although the further north you go it tended to be very much feral white youths.
Boredom, hot weather and alcohol are usually the pre-cursors for mass disorder, so a summer heatwave will be the likely spark, or an isolated incident concerning a perceived injustice to a member of a minority group.
It's presently far too cold for a lot of todays youth to be outside causing havoc.
May Bank Holiday onwards would be my guess, as long as the supply lines for the basics are kept open.

BTW do you suffer range anxiety on a regular basis?
Derby to Barnoldswick is almost double your stated distance of 50 miles, even as the crow flies.

Then again, if people can't, for whatever reason, get access to their Netflix, social media feeds and all the other BS that makes up modern life it could be far sooner.

Self isolation will have little effect on me, there's always something constructive that needs doing and all this extra "spare time" will allow me to catch up or do things I don't normally have the time to consider.

I've just started a online course in making Molotov Cocktails. You never know when they might become useful :LOL:
 

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There's some sweeping generalisations in your thought process.
The vast majority of people who were charged with rioting and looting during the summer riots of 2011 were British nationals even if they were of BAME origins, although the further north you go it tended to be very much feral white youths.
Poorly worded on my part - it wasn't assigning the behaviour to any ethnic group, instead that it might be against immigrants who are often wrongly accused of overruning the welfare state or removing the support for the existing population. I'd draw your attention to the example of the tensions in Sheffield between the British born population and the Roma who have arrived in recent years.
BTW do you suffer range anxiety on a regular basis?
Derby to Barnoldswick is almost double your stated distance of 50 miles, even as the crow flies.
A missing 1 - it was about 150 miles by road.
 

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The riots will start when people will have to make a stark choice: do I risk getting in jail for breaking the curfew, or do I lose a member of my family due to lack of money to buy food?

Please note, the choice has nothing to do with the virus.
 

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You miss the point, JJ. I tried to be succinct, to avoid long explanations, but here goes:

I would assume we all agree that the current situation is not sustainable on the long run and every day of "lockdown" or reduced economic activity puts pressure on the economy and society as a whole, not only in beloved UK. Companies will not get income, will not be able to pay their employees, will not be able to pay rent for offices etc. Some companies will close down and people will be laid off. The amount of products and services provided will reduce. The governments will pump money in their economies, but the money will go towards purchasing products and services that do not exist, because the supply chains have closed down (your car is built by hundreds of companies across a long, complicated and global supply chain), creating inflation. Unemployment could become widespread, worldwide, if governments decide that it's worth panicking people and telling them to stay home and do nothing for long periods of time.

Once a large enough group of people that live at the limits have no food to feed their families, they'll have a choice: obey the law vs. feed their children.

UK's Morrison's will not be able to hire and pay decently millions of people in 1 year.

I'm on unemployment benefit currently and my 6 scheduled interviews have been postponed until further notice due to the economic instability in Germany; not because of risk of contagion, but instability (infection rate in Germany is currently below 0,0375%). Each day means contracting economic activity, so the longer this continues the less likely I'm going to find a job; I am "lucky" to not have children, I wouldn't want to be in the situation I am in currently with 2 or 3 kids. If this continues for 6 months, I'm going on personal savings. Once those run out, I'll have no option but to weigh: do I disobey the law or not.

I doubt we'll get to such a dire situation, highly unlikely, but the question asked was "when will we see riots". The conditions to see riots on the street is when people cannot feed their families. It could be in 3 months, it could be in 2 years.
 

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Might have been lost in the noise but the riot vans were out in Bristol 48 hours ago.
A couple of Iceland delivery vans were torched and there have been reports of further unrest in other cases in the UK.
I'll revise my timescale forward to the middle of April when those already on the breadline realise that the systems the government are alledgedly putting in place don't work and the very firstUniversal Credit payments are missed. Already over 500,000 people have signed up for help.
Nice to see the banks, many bailed out with taxpayers money back in 2009 are putting a charge on business owners property for future lending over £100k.
The few will get richer, while the hoi polloi can go swivel.
 

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My point being why are there riots?

any excuse normally

if someone’s been laid off because furlough and 80% wages isn’t working then that’s a shame - but there is work out there

companies are offering their staff to other companies all the time

I rang direct line yesterday and they have moved their call centres into employees homes

there are many many different scenarios I know but are enough people going to be forced out of work by their companies and not supported by the government enough to warrant rioting in the streets?

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I would have thought 80% of normal pay for staying at home was pretty reasonable.

With a 20% reduction on 'top line', income tax drops by rather more than 20% and many other deductions also drop by 20%. Not using any fuel (or in the longer term less wear on tyres & other components) is also worth quite a bit. Those 'laid off' might also be able to DIY some jobs and save the payments to tradesmen for which they would have been budgeting.
 

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Ok, unfortunates on zero hours contracts and the unempolyed have very little chance of work in the forseeable future, young people at schools / Colleges / Universities are no longer receiving an education and hence being kept busy, lots are required to quarantine in an unregulated way. Inequality has never been higher, the super rich are able to self-isolate and gloat about it on InstaTwitBook in their luxury boltholes.
The current estimates from Imperial College are that this will continue through 2021 so little hope for an immediate improvement in the lives of the disillusioned and bored. All in all, the ingredients of a rioting season. London is as usual ahead of the rest of the Country, so when will it start?
Will it be widespread thefts, or mindless destruction? Will particular communities (immigrants are generally heavily attacked and already the traditional arguments of them having stretched our infrastructure are rife and now include the 20% population growth since free movement for the accession EU states without similar increases in the NHS capacity) be targetted?
The numbers in our armed forces have been cut considerably (money being spent instead on 5th generation stealth fighters and aircraft carriers, and of course the nuclear deterrent) and a significant number are committed overseas in wars that have caused considerable dislocation of communities, the Police numbers were allowed to drop under austerity along with misguided changes to policing policy meaning that the "by consent" maxim has been undermined. So who will be stopping it?
In the 1980's I was working in Derby for Rolls-Royce and had to travel regularly to Barnoldswick where we carried out testing. It became normal to be stopped 3 - 4 times in the 150 mile journey despite being in a brand new company car and interrogated as to whether we were flying pickets. It appears to be the same for essential workers in Spain and Italy, so no doubt will be soon here. Already Italy has fined 40,000 people for breaking the self-isolation rules.
I give it until Sunday afternoon, but sincerely hope that I am wrong and that the better side of the public spirit is shown to be dominant.
Once it is a hot summer too, then 'then'.

I have observed in recent years, once da yoof, like, strip their T-shirts in the heat, then they're ready for battle.
 

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Once it is a hot summer too, then 'then'.

I have observed in recent years, once da yoof, like, strip their T-shirts in the heat, then they're ready for battle.
This ^.
Hot weather, boredom and alcohol.
Surefire way to stoke up tension that needs to be released
 

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If you are a sub standard human maybe and have a sofa in your front garden :(

loads to do in the house

some great tours of European museums on line
Learn the piano
Do some drawing
Build an Airfix kit
Read that book you haven’t got round to or enjoyed 10 years ago

if the only thing that comes to mind is drinking and fighting then coronavirus is the least of their worries haha

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I guess porn consumption during the lockdown might reduce the aggressive tendencies of some... Recommend some other activities, such as JJ recommended, but the dopamine hit will not be the same...
 

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I’m back to the 70s stuff - ooooh so much hair

(I think we may have to shit this thread down haha)

JJ
I presume a typo?

Or are we back onto the toilet paper issue....?
 
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