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Hi - apologies if there is a similar post already but couldn't see anything obvious.

We're looking to replace our Clio with a Zoe - mileage around 100m a week but if we like it then we'd like to use it for more of the short journeys (as opposed to the new-but-thirsty Audi estate).

It's a first foray into EV ownership so we're looking at used models - happy with the battery lease on the Zoe. We don't want to spend too much (the car we're replacing was originally bought to do a short station runs and is only worth £1-2k at most) so are thinking of the 22kW battery. We would ideally like the Q rather than the R as I like the idea that for slightly longer journeys (family 50 or 100 miles away) we'd need to recharge anyway and the faster option would be better.

However, I spoke to an EV specialist yesterday who said that the Q210 was only made until 2014 and so newer 22kW models would always be the R - is that correct? Unlike an ICE it seems next to impossible to quickly tell which version one is and even dealers seem stumped! We'd ideally like around the 2yr old mark so are we only going to be looking at R240s? Is the charge time a pain?

Obviously the range of the Q90 ZE40 would overcome this issue but I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to the extra £5k as with 2 kids, buggies etc it's unlikely to ever be the main, long distance car.
 

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We had a 15 plate Zoe 22 with quick charging. I'm pretty sure they were available up until 2017 when the Zoe 40 started to be sold.

I don't think it makes a huge difference on the 22 kW car as wait time won't be over an hour in any case. Depends on how far you think your longest journey is going to be.

I wouldn't do 900 miles in a 22, but it was just about bearable in an R90. :)
 

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We have a 22kWh Zoe purchased in September, our first EV. We love it. A 40 mile round trip work commute, 4 days a week, a granny cable set up and fed out of a cat flap fitted in the garage door takes care of the daily charge. The preheat during the current cold spell is brilliant and is in daily use. Go for it, you’ll enjoy it. We have the battery lease, just go for the minimum 4,500 miles at £49 per month, gives you breakdown and battery peace of mind cover.
 

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Looks like 66 plate ZE20 lease batteries go for about £7,500/£8,000 now.

I would be tempted to keep a keen eye on the market and wait for a 66 plate ZE40 lease battery. About 6months ago they could be had for ~£10k. It's a bit of a waiting game but well priced Zoe's do come up if you're patient....Glyn Hopkins tend to sell them at lower prices, as well as those car supermarket places.
 

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However, I spoke to an EV specialist yesterday who said that the Q210 was only made until 2014
EV specialist? the Q210 was available up to the ZE40 (R90 and Q90) came out. It is called the Dynamique intens.

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Looks like 66 plate ZE20 lease batteries go for about £7,500/£8,000 now.

I would be tempted to keep a keen eye on the market and wait for a 66 plate ZE40 lease battery. About 6months ago they could be had for ~£10k. It's a bit of a waiting game but well priced Zoe's do come up if you're patient....Glyn Hopkins tend to sell them at lower prices, as well as those car supermarket places.
We recently decided not to purchase a dealer demonstrator March 2018 ZE40 with 3,000 miles on the clock which they were selling for £11k, was even offered more for our current Zoe than we paid for it, sad to let it go but couldn’t justify the extra expense at this time when our current Zoe satisfies all our current needs. As @DrEskimo says, they are out there, daily searches will turn up something.
 

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Welcome. I had the Q210 for a week in winter and providing the battery is warm and at low charge, 45 mins on Ecotricity got it full. I would recommend the Q as on a long journey with a 22kWh you will be charging often, especially in winter.

You can see my blog from that week here (start from bottom) - Zoe Experience Week

Also discussed here - Zoe Chargemaster Experience Week

Spending a lot more for a used 40kWh is hard, especially when you have a new fossil fuel car you can use for long journeys. Personally I wouldn't recommend a Zoe for long journeys (even in a Q90) if you have small children. Aligning the needs of kids with the charging demands of Zoe is just too much grief - IMO (others may cope fine)

Maybe spend £6K on a Zoe 22kWh (with warranty) now and replace both cars in a few years when longer range travel gets easier, with more widespread 100kW charging and cars that can use it - Zoe 2020 model hopefully ;)
 

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..although with small kids you do need to stop more often so 2 x 30 min stops over a 3 hour drive to feed and wee lends itself quite nicely to a quick top up charge at the same time :)

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not always true though.....

depends on how much your fuel was costing before

i'm saving money :)

but i see it like this.... PCP plus battery rental is still same price as my saxo was in 2000 and i don't have to put fuel in it :)

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Thanks everyone - really helpful advice from people who actually know the drill.

Sounds like the Q/R debate is a bit meaningless for us which is good as there are many more Rs out there to haggle over. Currently looking at a 66 plate with 4k on the clock for £8k which seems decent. I like the idea of newer and at least having the balance of the manufacturers warranty. £7k seems to get a good 14 plate around here, though one dealer has a few on their forecourt which suggests we may be in a stronger position?

@X4dow We've worked out that (depreciation aside) there's about £50 a year uplift cost wise and if we increase our mileage that will disappear entirely. Given that the Clio is 10 years old now and starting to show it, I suspect we'll end up saving in reduced repair bills!

@Problemchild - unless they're sleeping in which case it's keep going as far as you can!!!
 

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£7k seems to get a good 14 plate around here, though one dealer has a few on their forecourt which suggests we may be in a stronger position?
Some could be out of warranty which once it has lapsed cannot be extended via Renault.
 

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If you're buying for fuel savings reasons alone, getting a lease version is pointless as the lease costs more than fuel alone. Worth considering.
Comparing fuel costs and battery rental is pointless IMO. It ignores the capital opportunity costs and reduced depreciation. For drivers doing lower miles I am confident you can do better than spend a hard earned £6K on a battery. Ultimately you need to work out expected total costs over the anticipated period of ownership, not just single out one cost!
 
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Comparing fuel costs and battery rental is pointless IMO. It ignores the capital opportunity costs and reduced depreciation. For drivers doing lower miles I am confident you can do better than spend a hard earned £6K on a battery. Ultimately you need to work out expected total costs over the anticipated period of ownership, not just single out one cost!
Lease + depreciation of the leased car is higher than the depreciation of the i model. Its not easy to sell a lease car to a private and dealers will give you 3k for it.
 
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