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Hi folks,

So, I run a motorcycle dealership in Yorkshire, UK, and we specialise in electric motorcycles. Having just leased myself and my business partner e-Golfs I came across this website / forum and spotted the two-wheeled section. But I see it doesnt get much action. So I wondered who on here has an electric motorcycle currently? And who has been considering / looking at electric motorcycles?

Jon

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Hi Jon

I keep looking at them although haven’t bought one as yet.

I also keep an eye on some of the bikes you advertise on eBay. I was tempted to buy the grey gpz550 when the previous seller listed it but decided that, with four gpz750s in the garage I could build my own specials.

Are you selling Zero, Energica, both or something else?
 

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Hi davidr1963,

We sell Zero, Super Soco, e-cooter, and Artisan electric bikes. Got pretty much all of them on demo if you ever fancy coming and having a go on one to see what they are like.

We still have the GPZ550 endurance racer. Its currently upstairs with the motor in bits as we noticed an issue with it, but we pulled it apart probably a year ago now and as yet haven't had the time to jump back on it and get it rebuilt.

Jon

PS You can never have too many bikes. Perfect number of bikes is.... n+1 (where n is the current number of bikes you have)
 

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I originate from your neck of the woods, having grown up in the Calder Valley, studied at Leeds Poly and worked in Leeds and Rochdale.

I now live 300 miles away on the south coast though so it’s a bit of a trek. I haven’t even made it to Swanley and the closest Zero dealer yet!

N+1 is one option but I’d really like to own just a couple. That’s not going to happen though because I’ve all these ideas for modifying my bikes and, once done, I’ll not want to sell it.

My first one was this gpz750 and I’m currently in the process of putting an NC24 swing arm on another.
 

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Well if you ever get the chance to test ride a Zero at your local dealer, then let me know and I am sure I can sort you out a deal on one including delivery ;)

In fact we just supplied a young lady in Devon, not far from Davant Bikes, with her first Zero after she test rode one at Davant on an open day.
 

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I do mainly touring so electric bikes are not an option until they make the charging times shorter.
I would look into it for work commuting if the cost would be reasonable.
 

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Hi Husoi,

Yeah, the touring bit is where they are falling a little short at the moment. On the new Zero SR/F you can get the charge time 0-80% down to about an hour if you spec it up, but thats the best in the Zero range. You can tour on them, its not impossible. Its just that you need to plan a little different in order to work in lunch stops etc at points where there are chargers.

The Turner Twins have recently just done a tour from London to the Iberian Pole of Inaccessibility on two Zero bikes.......
 

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Hi Husoi,

Yeah, the touring bit is where they are falling a little short at the moment. On the new Zero SR/F you can get the charge time 0-80% down to about an hour if you spec it up, but thats the best in the Zero range. You can tour on them, its not impossible. Its just that you need to plan a little different in order to work in lunch stops etc at points where there are chargers.

The Turner Twins have recently just done a tour from London to the Iberian Pole of Inaccessibility on two Zero bikes.......
The day electric bikes can beat a 08 Pan-European then I'll go for it ;)
even the longer range will be in reality limited to under 150 miles, I do 100 just on a commute and ususally Saturday's rides are around 250 - 350 miles :cool:
Lat touring i did was 5,000 miles, it would take a month on an EVBike :)
 

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The day electric bikes can beat a 08 Pan-European then I'll go for it ;)
even the longer range will be in reality limited to under 150 miles, I do 100 just on a commute and ususally Saturday's rides are around 250 - 350 miles :cool:
Lat touring i did was 5,000 miles, it would take a month on an EVBike :)
When I used to ride to the Bol d’Or every year at Le Castellet, we had to stop every 100 miles or so for fuel and to ease our sore bums! That was on ZZR600s.

Granted, things got more comfortable and the range increased when we bought ZX9Rs but we usually still stopped every 100 miles or so for a coffee and to consult the map to decide where next.

So it also depends on the type of touring you like to do; ours was wherever the roads looked twisty rather than getting to a destination.
 

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When I used to ride to the Bol d’Or every year at Le Castellet, we had to stop every 100 miles or so for fuel and to ease our sore bums! That was on ZZR600s.

Granted, things got more comfortable and the range increased when we bought ZX9Rs but we usually still stopped every 100 miles or so for a coffee and to consult the map to decide where next.

So it also depends on the type of touring you like to do; ours was wherever the roads looked twisty rather than getting to a destination.
Truth to be said...
If you ride alone on a Pan-European you can do 150 miles before your backside gets numb :p half that if the missus is on the back :rolleyes:
But then with 250 miles range you only fuel at every 3rd stop.
 

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I would love an electric bike! But they seem a bit expensive...

I'd consider one for my usual 40 mile commute but have a '68 plate MT09-SP that I could do with selling first! :)
For a 40 mile commute they are ideal.The initial purchase price may look expensive, but not particularly when you compare it against an equivalent power / spec / age petrol bike. We have a couple of 6 month old Zero FX's in at the moment, good for around a 75 mile range, and they are under £9k, and are a right laugh to ride. Same torque as an early R1, but in a trail / motocross style frame. But once you own it, the running costs are so much less than a petrol bike; about £1 to charge, no road tax, a fixed £120/year annual service (no "big" services ever required), and no surprise bills like rotten exhausts or holes in radiators etc.
 

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What is the real world range on a Zero FX? We know from experience the massive difference between quoted range and useful range in poor conditions / cold weather.
 

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For a 40 mile commute they are ideal.The initial purchase price may look expensive, but not particularly when you compare it against an equivalent power / spec / age petrol bike. We have a couple of 6 month old Zero FX's in at the moment, good for around a 75 mile range, and they are under £9k, and are a right laugh to ride. Same torque as an early R1, but in a trail / motocross style frame. But once you own it, the running costs are so much less than a petrol bike; about £1 to charge, no road tax, a fixed £120/year annual service (no "big" services ever required), and no surprise bills like rotten exhausts or holes in radiators etc.
I should have a go on one really. Two problems with the FX's though... I prefer the look of the DS... and even more so, the new SR/F!

The MT was £120/mth on a 3 yr PCP with £1k down. How does an FX compare?

I used to have an early R1 too...
 

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What is the real world range on a Zero FX? We know from experience the massive difference between quoted range and useful range in poor conditions / cold weather.
I only ever quote real world ranges when I talk about the bikes we sell. Real world is anything from 65 to 85 miles depending how you ride it.
 

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I should have a go on one really. Two problems with the FX's though... I prefer the look of the DS... and even more so, the new SR/F!

The MT was £120/mth on a 3 yr PCP with £1k down. How does an FX compare?

I used to have an early R1 too...
Brand new Zero FX ZF7.2 = £9,990

With a £1k deposit and over 3 years, and 10k miles a year, a PCP deal would be about £210/month roughly.

But dont forget though to work in to the equation; no road tax, just £0.50-£1.00 to charge (depending on your electric tarrif) so thats lets say an average of £0.01/mile for fuel, and £100 / year for a service.

So 40 mile a day commute x 5 days a week is 200 mile per week x 52 weeks per year = 10,400 miles divided by 12 months = 867 miles per month @ £0.01/mile = £8.67........ compared to petrol which on an MT09 is a 14 litre tank (3.08 gallon) x £1.30/l = £18.20 and a tank at 44mpg (figure taken from fuelly.com) will get you 135 miles, so thats £0.13/mile x 867 miles per month = £112.71/month. That gives you a fuel saving each month of £104.04. Plus then say £10/month road tax, thats then a £114.04/month saving. Plus add in the cost saving on servicing.

So taking that in to account, the £90 extra a month on the PCP payment is still outweighed by the savings, making it a cheaper bike overall to run.

Hope that all made sense........ I think i did lol
 

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Makes perfect sense to me...

I justified buying an EV to start with on the basis that their monthly cost was less than the £160/mth I was paying to fuel my petrol car @ 30mpg! (it's also £25/mth to tax).

Sadly, I don't commute by bike everyday at the moment... But contemplating swapping the Zoe for two wheeled EVness.

So does that make the GFV of the FX about 3k? The MT is £4800 or so and it cost less to start with. Is that just down to the manufacturer fiddling numbers? Is the Zero more realistic? I've never got to the end of a PCP yet! :)
 

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Yes would make the final payment around £3,200. However from our experience, the bike will be worth far more than this. Currently we are seeing 2-3 year old Zero's only dropping £3-4k off their values from new.
 
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