[Rei]

Looks very nice.

What is the pop up thing on the roof?

 

[pilotwoo]

Good looking car. I was disappointed that there weren't more details, but the last few videos from Fully Charged, especially the new presenter with the Tesla in the snow, was awful. It looked pretty but told us very little. A bit like this one.

 

[dk6780]

What is the pop up thing on the roof?

LiDAR for self driving?

 

[pilotwoo]

Bjorns video is much more interesting, and has much more info and confirmation its coming to Europe!

 

[Rei]

I thought I posted his video, must have copied the wrong link. No comment on the pop up thing in it!

 

[electricdriver]

Oh dear...CHAdeMO...was looking good right up until then. I know there's lots of reasons why that should be ok, but the standard is CCS and I'm afraid this will be a bad decision. Certainly a deal breaker for me.

 

[Kingpleb1]

Is it?
there are more chademo charging points in the UK than CCS, and yes im going to discount the tesla network as thats no use to anyone.
In my eyes its also a better a standard as the vehicle doesn't lock the connector on, the unit/connector controls that.

Oh dear...CHAdeMO...was looking good right up until then. I know there's lots of reasons why that should be ok, but the standard is CCS and I'm afraid this will be a bad decision. Certainly a deal breaker for me.

 

[Rei]

CHAdeMO has its advantages like Kingpleb1 says. Considering the size of the battery in these cars you probably won't need to use it much anyway, but when you do it will be kinda slow.

 

[BimbleEV]

By the time it comes to the UK I think it would have CCS but that could be years as they have a huge domestic market to sell to. Not bad for a 6 year old company and they may even out innovate Tesla eventually

 

[electricdriver]

Is it?
there are more chademo charging points in the UK than CCS, and yes im going to discount the tesla network as thats no use to anyone.
In my eyes its also a better a standard as the vehicle doesn't lock the connector on, the unit/connector controls that.

CHAdeMO has its advantages like Kingpleb1 says. Considering the size of the battery in these cars you probably won't need to use it much anyway, but when you do it will be kinda slow.

Absolutely agree that it has its advantages - no debate over that. Just an interesting position that there is an agreed European standard (admittedly under enabling legislation only) that a major new player to the market is choosing not to adopt.

 

[cah197]

By the time it comes to the UK I think it would have CCS but that could be years as they have a huge domestic market to sell to. Not bad for a 6 year old company and they may even out innovate Tesla eventually

Well, if they keep stealing the source code, yes:

Tesla doubles down on claim Chinese EV startup stole its Autopilot source code - Electrek

Tesla is doubling down on its claim that Xpeng, a Chinese electric vehicle startup, has stolen and is using its Autopilot source code. Last year, Tesla initiated a lawsuit against Guangzhi Cao, a former Autopilot engineer who quit to join Xpeng’s autonomous driving team. In the lawsuit, the...

electrek.co

The interior shots of the car borrow heavily from Tesla, even down to the UI.

I mean how hard would it have been to put the speech recognition button on the other side of the wheel?

Even the gear selector stalk is the same!

 

[Rei]

Bjorn says they do over-the-air updates which could be a bad sign. I think every car with major OTA stuff (more than just map updates) has had a lot of bugs and problems at launch and the new features often don't work very well. Also means they can do nasty stuff like turning features off remotely.

 

[Kingpleb1]

I would say there is a chance they could move to CCS but not a lot, Chademo is easier and cheaper to implement and CCS has its own higher costs with it.
Plus its ANOTHER standard they then have to support for every update and testing... Chademo at least limits that risk and means they could sell in the states easily as well.
Dont forget CCS is not a GLOBAL standard but a regional one, one the europeans failed to pick up when developing what we currently are stuck with.

The car locking the connector on is the biggest kick in the balls for me with CCS as it means as more and more cars hit the road, more and more rapid chargers will have people leaving cars locked on when not charging or when crawling along and could be moved to a standard 7kw type2 post. Chademo doesn't allow that.

 

[dk6780]

And there are two incompatible types of CCS - 1 and 2.
If we move to mainly DC charging then CCS may become redundant.

 

[Kingpleb1]

I think thats going to be a good while off now so many home chargers are AC, never mind public posts....

 

[Tim Ostler]

Chademo is a complete dealbreaker and will prove its undoing.

As with the Ford Mustang Mach-E it is a shame they can't actually design their own car instead of ripping off Tesla...

For all their faults, Audi Porsche VW and Jaguar are at least offering a different concept of what a top-end EV should be.

 

[cah197]

As with the Ford Mustang Mach-E it is a shame they can't actually design their own car instead of ripping off Tesla...

Nothing wrong with borrowing from Tesla. Hopefully they can pull off the software.

 

[dk6780]

Nothing wrong with borrowing from Tesla. Hopefully they can pull off the software.

Software is easy, according to VW at least.

 

[dk6780]

Chademo is a complete dealbreaker and will prove its undoing

Is this for you, or more generally? Chademo is still the default in the majority of the world if not Europe.

 

[burnt_crisps2]

Standards change and evolve...
Life In CHAdeMo is about to get pumped up...

CHAdeMO and China release new EV quick-charging standard, in a bid to leapfrog the industry - Electrek

TCHAdeMO released the 3.0 version of its charging protocol. It was co-developed by the China Electricity Council, setting up a battle of EV quick-charging protocols.

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