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Just received an e-mail from Zap-Map informing me of their impending launch of a new service: Zap-Pay, which I'm told will be a new way to pay for EV charging. Does anybody know anything about this?
 

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Personally the sooner we at WORST case get to a pay by a universal credit/debit system the better. Even easier could be to register your card against your car so that it automatically debits simply by plugging in to a charge point. All these apps, rfid cards are complex nonsense imo.

I'm not talking about plugshare/zapmap/abrp per se. These aggregators gives a good and much needed overview of our disharmoniouos charging network system. The sooner car chargepoint systems allow you to plug in zapmap, abrp into their databases etc the better. They provide much more detailed background info.
 

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“ Zap-Pay is a service provided by Zap-Map which allows Users to pay for, and access, the EV charging services (CPO Services) offered by participating charging point operators (CPOs) in the United Kingdom.
While Zap-Pay is available to Zap-Map Users within the Zap-Map platform, there is no requirement for Users to access this service, nor is there any requirement for Zap-Pay Users to undertake any account registration or subscription, or to use any specific RFID or payment card(s).
Users of Zap-Pay accept that, where CPO Services are accessed by Users, Zap-Map’s roles are as follows: (i) on a non-exclusive basis, introducing Zap-Pay Users to CPO via Zap-Map for the purposes of enabling Zap-Pay Users’ access to CPO Services; (ii) a provider of payments services including the processing of payments and issuing of receipts to Users for EV charging services accessed via Zap-Pay; and (iii) a payment support service for Zap-Pay Users via a dedicated customer helpline.”
 

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Personally the sooner we at WORST case get to a pay by a universal credit/debit system the better. Even easier could be to register your card against your car so that it automatically debits simply by plugging in to a charge point. All these apps, rfid cards are complex nonsense imo.

I'm not talking about plugshare/zapmap/abrp per se. These aggregators gives a good and much needed overview of our disharmoniouos charging network system. The sooner car chargepoint systems allow you to plug in zapmap, abrp into their databases etc the better. They provide much more detailed background info.
In the short time I've participated in these public charging threads, I have been astounded by the totally unnecessary and diabolical situation regards access & payment at public charging points!!! I'm sure that this is one of the major impediments preventing the uptake of EV's by the general population. When I received the news from Zap-Map that they were launching Zap-Pay, I thought maybe... just maybe a degree of sensibility and reasonableness was finally being introduced to help alleviate this conundrum... Let's hope that Zap-Map's plans are simple, user/friendly and finally taken up by the supply industry at large! I'll not be holding my breath, though...
 

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In the short time I've participated in these public charging threads, I have been astounded by the totally unnecessary and diabolical situation regards access & payment at public charging points!!! I'm sure that this is one of the major impediments preventing the uptake of EV's by the general population. When I received the news from Zap-Map that they were launching Zap-Pay, I thought maybe... just maybe a degree of sensibility and reasonableness was finally being introduced to help alleviate this conundrum... Let's hope that Zap-Map's plans are simple, user/friendly and finally taken up by the supply industry at large! I'll not be holding my breath, though...
Call me biased but it's an inevitable consequence of a government and society that supports free market systems with minimal and ideally zero intervention. Legislation could have dictated a simply payment via card at point of sale, as per fossil fuels.
 

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Given I didn't understand their own explanation of what it does, I think I'll give it a wide berth for the moment. It's not as if ZapMap itself has been user friendly at all times.
 

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Of no interest to me. Contactless only rapids everytime. Havent used anything else for over a year and enough around for us to ignore other methods now. If we all try to stick to contactless rapids the other networks will soon get the message.
 

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Why is legislation needed tho? What’s the reasoning behind charging networks going down the pre-registration route rather than payg?
A handful of reasons:
  • More data on your users
  • Customers feel more invested if they already have an app
  • Cheaper equipment (POSs are expensive, or at least used to be)
  • On networks where you have to top up, there's reduced card charges
 

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Of no interest to me. Contactless only rapids everytime. Havent used anything else for over a year and enough around for us to ignore other methods now. If we all try to stick to contactless rapids the other networks will soon get the message.
I’m definitely the same. Depending on how much you are bothered, if there are chargers that don’t offer contactless somewhere that you would use them If they were, email the company to politely tell them why you aren’t going to use their charger. Tell them what would encourage you to use it, and give them an example of a competitor who uses contactless that you use instead.
 

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Why is legislation needed tho? What’s the reasoning behind charging networks going down the pre-registration route rather than payg?
Pre-registration, rfid cards, monthly fees all smacked of club mentality with the idea of covering costs of initial rollout. All of which is short term thinking. I see the job of govt to encourage the long term view, possibly with legislation.

The same story is true of charger cabling standards. Why can tesla have their own infrastructure and yet use non tesla? I think China blocked tesla's land grab in favour of universality. Why do we have chademo and css? We just need one cable, after all the electricity is just the same.
 

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I don’t really get why I’d want to use this at an Engenie charger rather than just using my contactless debit card as normal?

Don’t get it at all.

The only benefits I can see are:

1. History and receipts
2. Circumvents others apps for networks without contactless payment

But, the lead partner network, Engenie, already has full contactless payment, IME, so they are an odd choice to start with.

If they could have partnered with at least two networks that currently require the use of their own app then there would have been some (limited) tangible benefit.

I’m personally not bothered about receipts, but can see that might be useful for drivers making business journeys.
 

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Pre-registration, rfid cards, monthly fees all smacked of club mentality with the idea of covering costs of initial rollout. All of which is short term thinking. I see the job of govt to encourage the long term view, possibly with legislation.
Agreed. I saw somewhere that the majority of EV owners would welcome a simple PAYG contactless card system on all rapids.

Unfortunately all governments do not see that the government's job is to encourage a long term view. Five years is about the length of long term planning that occurs in the UK.

Todays rapid infrastructure jungle is the result of a free market free for all which is exactly the governments policy.
 

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There are signs that this particular government may yet actually be more interventionist than might be expected and than recent governments were, but I’m not especially hopeful.
 
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