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EVs Don’t Suit Rural Living

2.8K views 18 replies 13 participants last post by  hunnymonster  
#1 ·
….is something I seem to read in badly written “news”paper column headlines irregularly.
No idea of the context of these articles and with over 100k miles in 6 years of painless BEV ownership between both of us here in the sticks, I’ve no idea what it could be.

Or at least I didn’t until I washed the wife’s Leaf 30 Tekna at the weekend.

She’d mentioned range was much lower since I had All Weather tyres fitted late last year. They’re Winter rated Maxxis AP3s, close(ish) to the tread pattern and construct of a Michelin Cross Climate, much cheaper but not proportionately worse in performance.

Same economy rating as the stock Leaf tyre as I recall, so shouldn’t be causing too much of a hit. Seems they might be a bit too good at shifting mud and silt though.

The evidence in the snap is after a couple of days of rain.
Took me about 20 mins to clear with hose and a bare hand the great big clods of solid, dried on mud that had accumulated on the inside of each rear wheel arch, both in the rim of wing, the underside of the arch and into the plastic vents in liners that tuck into the rear bumper.
Must have been a good kilo.

Exaggerating the effect slightly, but mud and muck adding weight and interfering with air flow ducts can’t do much for efficiency.
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#2 ·
I'd assume the issue is that a lot of villages and small towns have few or no public charging facilities and there's many rural homes that do not have off-road parking, so charging isn't easily possible.

I've seen plenty of rural homes where having an EV would be seriously inconvenient, unless you resorted to running cables across public foot paths.
 
#7 ·
I didn’t actually make that connection.

But, the factors that affect any car tend to be more noticeable in a BEV than an ICE, particularly when said EV only has a range of about 120 miles in its standard form - Additional weight, mucking about in any way with aerodynamics….and carrying half a swamp in its nether regions.
 
#6 ·
The only way you get everyone onto EV's is to knock down all the old houses with no drive and build less houses in the same space with drives - controversial yes but how else did they plan to fix it ? Problems exist everywhere. I carved half a drive out with the help of my friendly neighbour. He needs some of mine for and I need some of theirs for access so we made a comunal "drive", oh and the council can go whatever if they want to enforce a clause in my deeds about parking a car on the grounds.

All I hear are idiots with no technical knowledge trying to rubbish EV's. It's like anything, if you want to hate it some one will waste no time helping you reinforce that hate with any lie you are stupid enough to beleive.
 
#9 ·
Ok I live rural , my issue is range. We need cheaper long range vehicles firstly. My nissan 62kw with its published range of 239 is far from reality .winter it's 170. Hills kill range winter kills range. So for me a car has to have a gauranteed 300 mile range . Second problem is most rural homes don't have a great electrical supply. Infact my dno have told me that my second ev charger must never be used on full load when I use all my other loads. So now we are talking about 3 phase supplies which is really what most homes require to be able to charge more than one car and run your home. But that is at a cost to the public mine is £15k. You may have many people say it's not needed as you can have load devises fitted so what ever you use will never go over that load but that's a huge no when you have more than one ev and a home totally relying on electric.dint forget heat pump and other heat devises running in winter. Think before you reply lol. Then you have then to consider that bigger battery's and more range will take huge amounts of time charging using the standard 7kw charger. So having 3 phase would allow the use of 22kw chargers which would have to take over from the standard 7kw charger with vehicles with bigger battery's to reduce the charge time. EVs are great but with prices increasing in electric and demand we have a few problems ahead of us
 
#10 ·
I live in London and have an off street charger. Eventing is great with our EV, (ID3) by far our best car ever. We also toured North Wales and north England in the summer holidays and it was fine as we picked a hotel with a charger in the car park BUT for people without a driveway it's not straightforward. In London it's not an issue as there are so many chargers, but the cost is many times higher then using a home supply. I think ubricity has got it right, a charger in every lamppost. Surely thats the future. Every parking place on every street in the country should have a charger. Every parking place in every car park should have a charger. There is alot of work to do. It's funny though that sections of the media leading a campaign against electric cars, like the daily express, putting out so much fake news every day, recently came out sharply against the government's recent announcement to invest £100ms in a charger upgrade across the country. They attack EVs and say there are not enough chargers and the critise the government for trying to, belatedly, do something about it. Gross hypocracy.
 
#12 ·
Every parking place in every car park should have a charger.
I don't think you need to go that far, only 40% of people don't have off street parking and will need to fill up from public charge points. Now that batteries are getting bigger you don't need to charge every time you park the car. The bigger issue is ensuring that the charge points that are fitted are available and not occupied by cars that are not charging or broken. I suspect 10 to 20% of spaces would be adequate in most car parks, with a higher proportion in some places like Motorway services. Even that might not be necessary if charging rates for batteries increase to the point where you only need to spend a few minutes to charge to 80%.
 
#11 ·
If the government is serious about decarbonising they’ll need to change some things. Like allowing ashps in more flexible locations (listed buildings, closer to boundaries for smaller gardens etc), investing in or subsidising district heating where not possible; encouraging or requiring off street parking close to houses for EV chargers on new builds and allowing retrofitting drives where previous May not have allowed - basically removing hurdles where possible
 
#19 ·
I'd better move from my rural idyll then... To be fair I think the much bigger issue with roadside parking, crossing pavements is more for the big city - hereabouts we tend to have no pavements to cross and the chances of the council passing by is negligible apart from bin day and the waste operatives are more interested in leaving the bins in random places than checking up on potential trip hazards.