The FIA Extreme H World Cup represents a bold, pioneering step backwards

Next up, steam and clockwork.

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EV FUD😭. You all bang on about anti EV FUD but have no tolerance about anything that isn't battery. Blinkered.

 

Nah
This is nonsense all promoted by Qiddya Investment Company ( which is the Saudi royal family)
in league with the self-important FIA

Another dog-shit series touted as a “multi year” investment. Don't hold your breath anyone

 

Splendid

 

Just because we like EVs for road usage, doesn't mean hydrogen doesn't have some valid applications. I could see motorsports as being one of those - you need a lot of power and energy but as little weight as possible. Just like synfuels could also be used for Formula 1.

 

I would agree but fuel cell version of this car is heavier than the battery one. The serise only exits because pro hydrogen parties are paying for it.

 

I saw an Extreme H car + drivetrain at Goodwood this year, and my first thought was … why? Extreme E was a fantastic and exciting series with no concerns about the durability or longevity of the batteries. Some of the crashes were epic, as were the various tracks.

What does H bring to the table? Does the expoldy bit make it more “Extreme”?

 

I know that perfectly well. And they don't have a range extender. Instead of a 4-500kg battery, they have 2kg of hydrogen in a strong tank and a fuel cell. Then of course an electric motor.
And I'd wager your fancy BEV wouldn't last 30 seconds on the race track.

Hang on a second.......

Extreme H car:

MAX POWER 400kW/550bhp
WEIGHT 2200kg

Extreme E car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_Odyssey_21
Power 400 kW (536 bhp)
Weight 1650 kg

Hum..... I sense H stands for Hype.

 

When is 400kW not 400kW… 😀

 

Might be imperial horsepower (1 hp = 745.7 watts) vs PS/metric horsepower (1 PS = 735.5 watts). However, using these figures, best I can get is 536 hp(imp) for Extreme E, and 543 PS/hp(met) for Extreme H. So the figures are presumably rounded somewhere, perhaps with Extreme H having 404.5kW total motor power? IDK.

 

I see that the track that is involved is another 'off-road' one. Some time back I read that hydrogen fuel cells demanded pristine oxygen to perform efficiently and that meant installing large air filters in such cars to clean out even tiny particles of crud. Surely that conflicts with racing in such dusty conditions.

 

They require well filtered air (not pure oxygen) to reduce the risk of contamination of the cell... if you only need the cell to last the race, or season, then it may not be an issue.

 

Thanks for all the clarifications. It will interesting to watch the races tomorrow onwards on ITV 4

 

If it’s anything like Extreme E, it will be a bore fest. I wanted to enjoy Extreme E but it was just dull.

It was the format of the racing that was the problem, not the fuel powering the cars. If I remember correctly, Extreme E used hydrogen powered generators to produce the electricity to power the cars anyway.

 

It's a rally-cross format?

I guess the relatively slow speeds (for motorsport) means a racetrack would be a snorefest, but "Paris-Dakar" style may not.

Explains the 2200kg when a few hundred kg will be suspension/chassis/wheel & tyre enhancements

 

I guess the oil barons are getting worried about lack of sales lol

 

Thats why they have over 300 lobbyists in westminster !

 

2200kg?
Extreme E was 1895kg?
Why the extra bloat if it's got a tiny battery pack in comparison?

 

Well, in today's time trial, the drivers seem to enjoy driving them. Comments on a lower centre of gravity and more difficult to tip over.

 

Not trying to be confrontational, but how does it end up with a lower cg vs a vehicle with batteries in the floor pan?

 

These are off-road machines with niobium steel frames designed to jump around and crash through gravel/rocks - I doubt the batteries are 'the floor' in the same way as road/racetrack going vehicles have them.