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There’s me thinking
‘As someone who lives in a flat in London (with no off street parking or home charging facility) these lamppost chargers are essential to my charging routine.’
Made him an interested party.
 
There’s me thinking
‘As someone who lives in a flat in London (with no off street parking or home charging facility) these lamppost chargers are essential to my charging routine.’
Made him an interested party.
I've deleted my previous post because, if as you say, that is one of @teepee's 'charge points' then for sure they have even more right to be outraged than in general cases, even though it is not a matter for non-London residents.
 
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I'm pretty sure the sign on the post says "Resident permit holders only". Maybe the occupier is a resident permit holder?
If they are not a permit holder then all the nasties and semi nasties above may legitimately apply.
Just musing....
 
Consider they pulled in to the bay
Spent quite a while phaffing about, on the phone to the provider, then gave up getting the thing to work + put cable back in boot.

Decision point -- move away from the bay and someone else spend similar frustrations ?

- The one thing we don't know, is whether there was a useful note left by them on their dashboard saying the charge point was bust
(or, whether they had put a comment in somewhere like Plugshare, zap map etc )

per above , just musing.......
 
Sometimes it is poor planning by the council that means the chargers are iced. Looking for a charger near Portobello beach and found 5 or 6 dual port chargers on the pavement on a side road. All the marked parking bays were full and only one was an EV which was not pugged in. The street looks to be all flats about 100 years old so no parking spaces except the street and never enough. There is a council owned sports centre with a large carpark a few hundred yards away. Forcing people to park away from there home to allow people to charge outside there home when there is not enough local EVs to use them, its just not going to happen outside of the traffic warden's "Blue meanies" patrol times.
 
The problem is that if you make too many spaces 'EV charging only' then ICE cars have no where to park.

It cannot yet be more than 1 in 50, if parity is to be kept according to the ratio of cars in the national fleet.

Basically, all parking spaces should have access to a charge port, then there is no 'blocking a charger' any more.
 
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Source London do charge a premium which includes a parking charge but these lamppost chargers are Ubitricity and are in resident bays.

Either way, it is inconsiderate simply to park at a charging point and block it for an EV wanting to charge. Would a petrol car think of parking at petrol pump and leaving it for several hours?
Similar problem in Ealing where Ubitricity lamp posts are frequently ICEed because there was no special parking or signage. Source London used to charge by the minute, which sort of makes sense when they are effectively selling a parking spot at the same time. It made for very bad value in terms of kWh cost. Even worse value if you had a local parking permit, but at least they remained clear of ICE or overstaying EVs. I don't know if anyone has ever plugged up but not initiated charging - that should be obvious to a passing warden by the colour of the lights on top of the post. Last December they changed their pricing structure to the more standard price per kWh, but they have an "idle time" charge which starts to apply after the charge current drops below a threshold. There's something like a 5 minute grace period after which you start to pay per minute. (They do send an email warning I believe)
I never use Source London - TOO expensive!

The Ubitricity sockets on lampposts are almost too discrete and they present a problem for a warden to recognise charging or not...
In the past Ealing Council hasn't created reserved bays and the result has been that some of the local sockets are never free. I pretty much know which ones where I have a 30% chance of it being accessible and which have zero accessibility. Such a waste of money to put in a resource in places which are densely parked and not to protect the space. There are often end of street locations of link roads between terraced streets which don't have people parking "outside their house".
Anyway, the lamp post sockets from Ubitricity have one small LED by the socket which is blue if the thing is idle, amber when you have plugged in and it detects the car and green when "charging". It remains green even if your car has reached 100%. It's great, because they don't cut you off and email the receipt until the driver unlocks the car and unplugs. That means in really cold weather you can send the car an instruction to pre-heat before a departure and arrive to a warm car at 100% SOC (perhaps not these days). It worked when I tried it for a bit of fun when the car was new.
That nice simple approach of the 240V remaining available to the vehicle is great in many ways, but it means the traffic warden passing by has no idea whether you are charging. Because these are AC power points we are dealing with periods of many hours, overnight often, picking up several hours after the charge may have completed in the small hours, or you moved and plugged up at 10am and it completed at 4pm but you couldn't collect the car until 5.15pm.
What's a warden to do? Ticket a car that's on the same socket the next day? Who's to say it hasn't been out and back?
If anything, it should be up to the charge point operator to monitor use and provide some signal at the charge point. The Source London chargers will carry on taking the driver's money, but they could revert to showing an idle lamp after long enough, so the driver might get a ticket for not charging. Ubitricity could decide that 5 hours after charging kW has dwindled to near nothing they disconnect and return the LED state to "blue".

And then we would need the councils to have the money to employ the staff and train them to issue tickets for an offence that probably hasn't been written yet.
We are an appallingly badly governed country, distracted by identity politics rather than the daily issues and evolving technology.
 
Such a waste of money to put in a resource in places which are densely parked and not to protect the space.
I find this to be an ill conceived notion.

It makes sense that whenever an opportunity arises to fit a charge outlet into a lamppost that we now take that opportunity. That does not automatically mean that ICE cannot park there because the objective should be to fit a charging port to EVERY lamp post in the country.

But that will take time and not happen over night and it may be appropriate to dedicate the space around a particular lamp post with a charger to BEV charging, due to local conditions, or it may not be.

But unless this 'starts' then we'll never get to saturation of charge outlets on a lamp post.

If we ban ICE from parking next to lamp posts with charge ports, and they all have charge ports, then that would be highly inappropriate.

I think BEV owners and users are suffering from their 'identity politics', they want to be identified and treated preferentially even when there is no real reason for it other than 'oh, I want a charging space'. It is appallingly bad that they seem to want politics to favour them personally, when we're trying to get to 'a social solution' not 'a personal' one which is solved not by daily issues of dishing out tickets but the evolution of charging space technology to every parking space so no-one has to go looking for a charging space, one just parks, and charges if needs be.

We need to keep 'allocated' charging spaces in proportion to BEVs. There can for sure be as many 'actual' charging spaces as you like for opportunistic charging and, ultimately, you just look for a lamp post because it 'will' have a charge port, makes no sense not to. But 'dedicated allocation' has to remain proportionate.

We are an appallingly badly governed country, distracted by identity politics rather than the daily issues and evolving technology.
 
Perhaps cluelessness. Parking the car in a multistorey yesterday my wife asked why I wasn't using the EV spaces. "Because we don't need to charge".
Her response was "So what?". Just doesn't seem to understand those spaces are so you can charge your car, not for parking in just because you happen to be on an EV.
 
Perhaps cluelessness. Parking the car in a multistorey yesterday my wife asked why I wasn't using the EV spaces. "Because we don't need to charge".
Her response was "So what?". Just doesn't seem to understand those spaces are so you can charge your car, not for parking in just because you happen to be on an EV.
She doesn't drive a white Tesla by any chance?
 
Consider they pulled in to the bay
Spent quite a while phaffing about, on the phone to the provider, then gave up getting the thing to work + put cable back in boot.

Decision point -- move away from the bay and someone else spend similar frustrations ?
I always move on, maybe it'll work for someone else.
 
Perhaps cluelessness. Parking the car in a multistorey yesterday my wife asked why I wasn't using the EV spaces. "Because we don't need to charge".
Her response was "So what?". Just doesn't seem to understand those spaces are so you can charge your car, not for parking in just because you happen to be on an EV.
Is this like a “Blue Badge “ car using a Disabled bay when the disabled person is not present with the driver ?…….(discuss)
 
The sign on the lamppost clearly says both ‘residents parking only’ and ‘charging only’

this is massively common across the uk not just in London. You park in a residential street you should check for lamppost signs just in case or you very much risk getting a ticket
 
The sign on the lamppost clearly says both ‘residents parking only’ and ‘charging only’
These signs are often very unclear, and in fact probably unlawful. AFAIU signs are only supposed to list exclusory terms. Where they list permissions it gets very confusing when more than one is put on the sign.

It may not be enforceable if a car is a resident's car. What exclusion are they failing to observe?

I take that to mean you have to be both a resident AND charging, but I'd press you to showing that as a matter of clear law.

As a simple example, what does the sign " 'P' : 2hrs Mon - Fri 8AM to 6PM " mean for weekend parking? Does it mean it is allowed, or not allowed?
 
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Another confusing one is Wigtown. It has a car park with 16 chargers only about 30 spaces in the whole carpark. It is just a small village, so seeing all the chargers was a nice surprise. There is 1 50kw charger and loads of 22k and 7k. The 50kw charger is also the single disabled parking bay in the car park.
 
Another confusing one is Wigtown. It has a car park with 16 chargers only about 30 spaces in the whole carpark. It is just a small village, so seeing all the chargers was a nice surprise. There is 1 50kw charger and loads of 22k and 7k. The 50kw charger is also the single disabled parking bay in the car park.
So....do we infer that in order to use the 50kW charger you have to have a blue badge?
 
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