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ID3 Family Pro performance 58KW granny lead

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#1 ·
Hi All,

I've currently got a VW golf GTE that I've had since new for 4 years and my employer is sending it back to the lease company, and I've got arriving in 2 weeks an ID3 family pro performance 58KW, reading on this forum it doesn't come with a 13A granny lead that I had with my GTE, can anyone recommend a reliable/cheap lead as I'll have to buy this myself so I can pre-order it so I'm good to charge from day one.
The one I was looking at is in screwfix Masterplug 10A 2.3kW Mode 2 Type 2 Socket Electric Vehicle Charging Cable 10m | Electric Vehicle Charging | Screwfix.com but it's just 2.3kw which would take 25hrs to fully charge, so is there a 3KW 13A wall plug granny charger that would cut the time to just over 19hrs :unsure:


Thanks in advance for any help/advice :cool:
 
#2 ·
Hi All,

I've currently got a VW golf GTE that I've had since new for 4 years and my employer is sending it back to the lease company, and I've got arriving in 2 weeks an ID3 family pro performance 58KW, reading on this forum it doesn't come with a 13A granny lead that I had with my GTE, can anyone recommend a reliable/cheap lead as I'll have to buy this myself so I can pre-order it so I'm good to charge from day one.
The one I was looking at is in screwfix Masterplug 10A 2.3kW Mode 2 Type 2 Socket Electric Vehicle Charging Cable 10m | Electric Vehicle Charging | Screwfix.com but it's just 2.3kw which would take 25hrs to fully charge, so is there a 3KW 13A wall plug granny charger that would cut the time to just over 19hrs :unsure:


Thanks in advance for any help/advice :cool:
10A is the maximum I’d put through a 13A socket, puking 3kW through one is asking for trouble/melting/fires.

How often realistically will you be charging from near empty to full?

If you want more than 10A charging, then you really need to go for a more bespoke solution, which I appreciate you might not want to do.

Otherwise l, I haven’t heard any bad things about the Masterplug one you linked to.
 
#3 ·
Your employer should be paying to fit a proper home charger for you if they are allocating a full BEV for your use. That would enable charging at an adequate rate to easily fill the battery as you sleep. There are many reasons not to use a 'granny' charger for charging such a car as a long term solution. Mostly for your own safety. Try the 'search community' box at the top of the page and enter 'granny charger' as a search. That will bring up many dozens of threads on this subject. If you then read a few you will begin to understand why using a granny charger is not a great idea - quite apart from the glacier speed of charging. Electrical regulations have tightened up over time and one main risk area over a highly technical aspect of UK earth systems now applies.

Short answer is that you should be fitting a wall charger to supply power at 7kW. Both to make charging easier and also to make the entire system safe. And IMO that should come with the car via your employer.

The Screwfix unit is quite good but should be regarded as an emergency solution rather than permanent.
 
#4 ·
Thanks for the quick reply all, , yes I've unfortunately got to buy my own box for outside the house and I've got to buy my own granny lead, it's around 60 miles each way to work so with the 260 mile ID 58KW range I can charge for around 8hrs in work (for free) which I think would get me around 80 miles charge @ 2.3kw, and I can charge on my drive for around 10-12hr over night getting me approx. 104-125 miles range whilst I look into the best/cheapest option to get a box for outside my house. I see what your saying about safety but I've charged my GTE twice a day for the last 4 years via the granny lead plugged into an extension lead and never had an issue, except the battery now only charges to 23 miles after 4yrs but that's to be expected with battery degradation and from brand new the GTE only ever charged to 27 miles with the supplied VW granny lead, or via Tesco POD 7KW charger. .

Can anyone recommend a cheap wall box charger for the ID3 please ? and I'll have to sort one out soon as the car arrives........... as I get what your saying that the granny lead is more of a backup with a pure EV only motor

Thanks again........
 
#6 ·
Can anyone recommend a cheap wall box charger for the ID3 please ?
No such thing anymore I'm afraid. A combination of the Gov't mandating for them to all have the latest 'smarts' so that off-peak charging can be centrally controlled and avoid millions of EVs switching on at the same time when the cheap night tariffs kick in - and also the latest lecky regulations to overcome a UK specific earthing issue that can result in a PEN fault making the car body alive at mains voltage. Both cause wall boxes and installations to require more ( and expensive ) internals when fitted.

Incidentally, that same PEN problem can also exist when using a granny charger for a car parked outside and is another reason why it shouldn't be used as a matter of routine. Use the search facility above to read the many debates on PEN faults. And one thread about someone almost burning their house down using a granny charger. The 13 amp plug can melt as it isn't really designed to pull a high charge for many hours. This is why its output is so throttled back of course. By the way, extension cables also introduce another large safety issue and are seriously frowned on.

Basically, it boils down to biting the bullet and shopping for quotes to fit a wall-box that suits you aesthetically. They are all fairly expensive these days. Especially as the grant is discontinued. Some boxes are quite tiny if that's important. Others come with a beautiful cabinet - at a price. It gets a bit more complex if you want/have solar and/or home battery storage as some specialist wallbox are better in those situations. Most now have an internal electrical method of overcoming the PEN issue. Others need a separate box to be fitted alongside. Or an independent ground spike earth fitted. Again, many existing threads in the search box that cover the wall-box selection aspects. As well as a few specific YouTube videos that discuss the pros and cons of different models.

Incidentally, as it can take a considerable time from order to install I would suggest that you start the process well before the planned delivery of the car. In some cases that also requires work by the DNO to upgrade or move their cables or mains fuse and that can take months. Best to eliminate that aspect early as well.
 
#7 ·
You're not going to get 260 miles range from a 58kWh battery ID.3 if you drive at motorway speeds, probably more like 200 in the summer leaving a small buffer to get to another charger if the first one is broken / occupied. For daily charging you're best to restrict your charging to 80% as the battery will last a lot longer and only go for a full charge when you're going on a long road trip. Winter will be a bit lower depending on temperature. As your round trip is 120 miles you will comfortably be able to do it on a 80% charge all year round.

Go for a 7kW home charger if you can with a tethered lead, it will make your life so much easier. The tethered lead removes the need to coil a dirty wet lead up to pop it in your boot. The charging regulations have changed so that chargers now have to be a bit smart so they make it harder for you to charge at peak times, this is done to reduce the load on the grid at peak times. If you have a smart meter it also means you can make the most of off-peak tariffs to reduce your electricity bill. The smart aspect of the chargers mean that they now cost a little more than they used to. You should be able to get the whole installation for around ÂŁ1500 give or take a bit. As you're doing 120 miles a day, or 600 a week just commuting, assuming you're replacing a 40mpg petrol car, you won't be shelling out ÂŁ120 a week on petrol which should pay for the charger in about 3 months. It usually takes a sparky a few hours to install a charger
 
#8 ·
You should be able to get the whole installation for around ÂŁ1500 give or take a bit. As you're doing 120 miles a day, or 600 a week just commuting, assuming you're replacing a 40mpg petrol car, you won't be shelling out ÂŁ120 a week on petrol which should pay for the charger in about 3 months. It usually takes a sparky a few hours to install a charger
ÂŁ1500? Have they gone up that mucb or are you quoting Andersen money?

My Ohme was about ÂŁ950 all in last April, before the ÂŁ350 grant came off, I'd expect it to be about a grand now, but no grant to soften the blow.
 
#9 ·
When I last looked the Ohme charger was about ÂŁ550, the cheapest offer for one fitted that I could find was ÂŁ1400, that was a few months ago. I think you've done very well with that price. Could be London pricing though!
 
#11 ·
That is crazy. The charger was about ÂŁ500 retail, about ÂŁ360 trade, add on ÂŁ120 for a MATT-E, maybe a few thingy clamps (I forget the name) - ÂŁ12. How much can they realistically charge for 3 hours labour to fit?

Our Fitter carne down from Fife to Newcastle and we had an earthing problem with my supply that brought out Northern power grid who deigned it a problem with the branch from the main road and they dug up a big patch of pavement just outside our boundary.

A check on the gas meter for earthing revealed a small leak too, that brought out Transco to cut off the gas until my supplier replaced the meter. Very eventful install!
 
#10 ·
If you want real up to the minute motorway Mike's, I drove to Milton Keynes and back from Newcastle yesterday (240 miles each way).

On the way down, setting off at 0430 my 58kWh Born (same as ID3 under the skin), with an ambient temp of 10 - 13C on the way down managed 3.4 miles per kWh. I was maintaining 72mph on the way down with no traffic at all, overall Ave speed was 66mph. That's only 170 miles from 100% to leaving you with about 30 miles margin.

On the way back I fared much better. It was 23C and there were a few slow sections due to traffic, but maintaining 74mph where I could, I was doing 4.2 miles per kWh (overall average 57mph) getting up to Wetherby services before charging (effectively 40 miles more range for the same state of charge), by virtue of being slowed down a bit and being much warmer.

After I filled up a bit to get me comfortably home for the last 85 miles, I was doing 78mph and no traffic - car dropped to 3.3 miles per kWh. It's easier to think of 50kWh effective use from full, giving you 8kWh margin in case your intended charger is bust.

0C = about 160 miles effective winter range doing 70mph. At 10C it's about 180 miles, at 20C it's about 205 miles, and when you go much hotter than that, your aircon use negates any extra gains.
 
#12 ·
Thanks for all the feedback, can anyone confirm if my golf GTE granny charger 13a uk plug charging cable will also charge the id3 ? I’ve had a look and I can see that it will also charge the e-up and e-golf but can’t see anything about it charging the id3….
 
#14 ·
I have the masterplug referred to in the op. It works well but plug is warm when it is used to fill up. A good 24 hours of constant 2.3kw. Usually use an outdoor socket at the in laws. But it is so slow we have taken to using any charger we come across when we stop.