[simcity]

My suggestion is just a secondary alarm after all. One that kicks in after they have defeated the first one. And one that will be new to them.

A good tracker would help massively to recover it too. Even if they defeat blue link, they still need to get around that. Hence why they leave them nearby after nicking them. Most insurers will drop the premium on a Thatcham approved tracker, which ought to at least help with the tracker sub.

 

[motmot]

This sort of thing destroys brand reputation and will make it impossible to insure the cars which will result in horrific depreciation if they dont get a grip of this quickly .

Look at Range Rover / Land Rover. Cant insure them in many cities now especially London. Yes you have ULEZ as well but they are expensive cars this is not major factor its the ease of theft and insurance costs or refusal of cover that killed them.

You cant sell them anymore dealers wont touch them at auction even 30 - 40% below book value. They are blighted pretty much unsellable.

I've read that JLR is dropping £10m on a series of updates to get around this problem. Clearly they've taken a reputational and sales hit because of this.

 

[MikeS]

This sort of thing destroys brand reputation and will make it impossible to insure the cars which will result in horrific depreciation if they dont get a grip of this quickly .

Look at Range Rover / Land Rover. Cant insure them in many cities now especially London. Yes you have ULEZ as well but they are expensive cars this is not major factor its the ease of theft and insurance costs or refusal of cover that killed them.

You cant sell them anymore dealers wont touch them at auction even 30 - 40% below book value. They are blighted pretty much unsellable.

It was one of the reasons I had my I5 insured by Saga on their 3 year fixed rate deal.

 

[pgogs80]

Aww hun, are you having a sissy fit because you started with the insults then couldn't take one back?

I've been in high performance car communities for a couple of decades. Do you know how many people are forced to give up their M/RS/AMG/R cars after a forced entry car theft scares the hell out of their family? It's a huge issue in London and Midlands.

Your assumption that thse are low-level thieves and petty robbers going around with £15k car hacking devices is cute.

Car thieves 'breaking into homes to get keys' as police chief issues warning

Car crime has risen, with recent brazen examples in the West Midlands, but the region's deputy police chief has vowed they're taking it 'seriously' with a 'dedicated task force'

www.birminghammail.co.uk

But if you want to play loud noises and dominate the stairs, you do you. I just hope your family take comfort in that when they find the door smashed open.

RunningStrong, your logic and thinking is completely inane though does offer a bit of a giggle.. 🤭

 

[Aleras]

I've read that JLR is dropping £10m on a series of updates to get around this problem. Clearly they've taken a reputational and sales hit because of this.

Too late should have moved much quicker.
Damage done now. You cant insure them and residuals are utterly destroyed. You cant sell these car now. Blighted they have destroyed the market for their vehicles.

 

[MarkyM]

Push has come to shove after getting my car back from Hyundai after a 3 month repair wait (ICCU failure).
Now having to worry about the car being stolen in a few seconds:
1-Stoplock Pro Elite steering wheel lock. Getting used to fitting this every time I get home in the evening. Getting faster at it! Does help there is plenty of space in the front footwells to store it.
2- Apple Tags. x 2 One easy to find in the cabin. To keep the potential scrotes thinking they have the upper hand. The other less so!
3- GPS tracker installed today.
If it's going to get stolen, it's going to get stolen. These may just help avoid that in the first place, or at least improve my chances of getting it back sharpish.

I am always a bit doubtful about the insurance industry lowering premiums by having a Thatcham approved tracker etc installed. May be for the first year, but I suspect they give you about a £10 discount. They are there to make money after all.

 

[Aleras]

LMAO Protecting your lump of metal over your family (who might me home without you) is your priority. Yeah, you're the hard man!

Our house was broken into trying to get keys for my AMG Merc.

They popped locks on patio doors. Defeated by internal door lock dog scared them off and they legged it luckily escaped over back wall in a panic.

I was away family very upset.

I had cameras did pick them up.

After that i fitted camera everywhere. Fitted best locks. This is serious organised crime they hit loads of house round where we live. Our friends brand new Golf GTI was stolen sane week.

The cars are insured. Your family isnt. The main point is you dont want weak cars that are desirable, easy to steal and attract these criminals.

 

[27897]

@Aleras I'm glad your family pet wasn't harmed too.

 

[pgogs80]

Our house was broken into trying to get keys for my AMG Merc.

They popped locks on patio doors. Defeated by internal door lock dog scared them off and they legged it luckily escaped over back wall in a panic.

I was away family very upset.

I had cameras did pick them up.

After that i fitted camera everywhere. Fitted best locks. This is serious organised crime they hit loads of house round where we live. Our friends brand new Gold GTI was stolen sane week.

The cars are insured. Your family isnt. The main point is you dont want weak cars that are desirable, easy to steal and attract these criminals.

Ah well I don’t have to worry about that at the moment. No car on the driveway!!!

 

[Aleras]

@Aleras I'm glad your family pet wasn't harmed too.

Yes the dogs a cockapoo so he wouldn't stand much of a chance but he did his job barked and scared them off !

 

[sidehaas]

I came across a Telegraph article on this just now. I thought it might be of interest to the group, if nothing else because there is a quote from Hyundai at the end.
“Premium cars have recently become the target of organised criminal groups in the UK. These groups seem to be using devices to illegally override smart key locking systems. Hyundai owners, mainly Ioniq 5 vehicles, are now also becoming a target of such acts in the UK.

“While we have only seen a small number of vehicles targeted to date, Hyundai is taking this industry-wide issue very seriously, working closely with law enforcement in the UK and is looking as a priority at measures to help prevent these criminal acts.

“Hyundai continues to monitor the situation closely and consider how we can help our customers to mitigate the risk.”

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[simcity]

I came across a Telegraph article on this just now. I thought it might be of interest to the group, if nothing else because there is a quote from Hyundai at the end.
“Premium cars have recently become the target of organised criminal groups in the UK. These groups seem to be using devices to illegally override smart key locking systems. Hyundai owners, mainly Ioniq 5 vehicles, are now also becoming a target of such acts in the UK.

“While we have only seen a small number of vehicles targeted to date, Hyundai is taking this industry-wide issue very seriously, working closely with law enforcement in the UK and is looking as a priority at measures to help prevent these criminal acts.

“Hyundai continues to monitor the situation closely and consider how we can help our customers to mitigate the risk.”

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Thanks. Here’s the story without the paywall.

 

[DickieBoy]

I came across a Telegraph article on this just now. I thought it might be of interest to the group, if nothing else because there is a quote from Hyundai at the end.
“Premium cars have recently become the target of organised criminal groups in the UK. These groups seem to be using devices to illegally override smart key locking systems. Hyundai owners, mainly Ioniq 5 vehicles, are now also becoming a target of such acts in the UK.

“While we have only seen a small number of vehicles targeted to date, Hyundai is taking this industry-wide issue very seriously, working closely with law enforcement in the UK and is looking as a priority at measures to help prevent these criminal acts.

“Hyundai continues to monitor the situation closely and consider how we can help our customers to mitigate the risk.”

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It will be interesting to see what the numbers are like for the second half of 2023. As even though its the second most stolen EV those numbers still seem very small to me.

 

[Jimbo]

I saw a post on FB yesterday about a car that was stolen in Enfield this week.

The owners had left a Samsung tag in the car but found it on the road near to where the car was stolen.

The days when “find my” trackers could be used for this sort of thing are coming to an end imo.

 

[Aleras]

This is hitting main stream media now. Telegraph ran an article yesterday saying Ioniq 5 was second most stolen car in UK in first half of last year.

If true that is incredible given relatively low numbers sold. Its a shame I liked look of them. Like Range Rover etc they will be uninsurable plus the huge reputational damage.

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[sidehaas]

This is hitting main stream media now. Telegraph ran an article yesterday saying Ioniq 5 was second most stolen car in UK in first half of last year.

If true that is incredible given relatively low numbers sold. Its a shame I liked look of them. Like Range Rover etc they will be uninsurable plus the huge reputational damage.

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See my post #291.

It was the second most stolen electric car (substantially behind Nissan Leaf). The numbers presented were not really concerning (only 13 stolen in 6 months) but as per the poster above it would be interesting to see the numbers for the second half of 2023, which anecdotally from forums is when this seems to have really kicked off.

 

[simcity]

The numbers in absolute terms are tiny. However the article does miss the point / conflate the Ioniq thefts with relay theft.

These Ioniq thefts are not ‘simple’ relay thefts, but a more sinister and sophisticated attack using programmable key tools available on the (not so) black market.

Either the Tele don’t understand - or don’t want to publicly say this. This to my this is what makes these thefts far more insidious (and perversely interesting) as someone has hacked the actual security code request / response from these cars - not just nicking some stray signal from the keys near your front door.

 

[sidehaas]

The numbers in absolute terms are tiny. However the article does miss the point / conflate the Ioniq thefts with relay theft.

These Ioniq thefts are not ‘simple’ relay thefts, but a more sinister and sophisticated attack using programmable key tools available on the (not so) black market.

Either the Tele don’t understand - or don’t want to publicly say this. This to my this is what makes these thefts far more insidious (and perversely interesting) as someone has hacked the actual security code request / response from these cars - not just nicking some stray signal from the keys near your front door.

It looked to me like the article was ok (and ambiguous about the exact method) but someone had decided it was a good idea to re-use an image from an old article about relay theft and hadn't understood the topic properly. Regardless yes I agree that this is more concerning than relay theft. Interested to see if Hyundai can do anything to solve it in the coming months. I5 and EV6 are starting to get more affordable/attractive on the used market now.

 

[simcity]

Interested to see if Hyundai can do anything to solve it in the coming months. I5 and EV6 are starting to get more affordable/attractive on the used market now.

Fingers crossed for owners, but I fear instinctively it won’t happen until there is a model refresh

 

[artyman]

Why not just have to enter a passcode to be able to fire the car up.