[MikeS]

AirTags only bleep/ notify if you actively tag them as lost or that you’re looking for them. If you don’t, they will passively update their location every now and then. AFAIK no one will know it is there. For £30 they are a good option.

there’s a few vids of people putting them inside the engine (yes - under the oil filler) or write offs and seeing where they end up (Dubai often) etc..

Anyway - there are shortcomings to them but it’s easy enough to slip one under the roof lining or behind a plastic panel somewhere (rear pillar might be good).

finally - my sympathies to all impacted by this. It sounds rubbish the treatment you’re getting from Hyundai.

If there is an unidentified airtag detected ‘with you’ it notifies you and therefore the thief.

 

[Hitstirrer]

Airtags rely on the tag being within enhanced Bluetooth range of any other active iPhone owned by any third party to latch onto the system and report its location. As this may or may not happen it can be a bit unreliable.

But an active iPhone in the car will report when interrogated under the 'Find My Phone' system without reliance on any Bluetooth connection. I intend to put an old iPhone 5 in the car plugged into the USB and hidden in plain sight in the centre console in a small cardboard box.

This is an official explanation.

"AirTags do not have a defined range because of how they connect to Apple's Find My network. You can locate an AirTag that's thousands of miles away or even internationally, providing it is within Bluetooth range of an iPhone."

 

[Aleras]

Lol Airtags....

 

[Jimbo]

Airtags rely on the tag being within enhanced Bluetooth range of any other active iPhone owned by any third party to latch onto the system and report its location. As this may or may not happen it can be a bit unreliable.

But an active iPhone in the car will report when interrogated under the 'Find My Phone' system without reliance on any Bluetooth connection. I intend to put an old iPhone 5 in the car plugged into the USB and hidden in plain sight in the centre console in a small cardboard box.

This is an official explanation.

"AirTags do not have a defined range because of how they connect to Apple's Find My network. You can locate an AirTag that's thousands of miles away or even internationally, providing it is within Bluetooth range of an iPhone."

The USB port is only powered when the car is switched on. Do you drive daily for long enough to recharge the phone?

 

[MikeS]

Lol Airtags....

?? At least one owner recovered his car because there was an airtag in it………..

 

[DickieBoy]

Airtags rely on the tag being within enhanced Bluetooth range of any other active iPhone owned by any third party to latch onto the system and report its location. As this may or may not happen it can be a bit unreliable.

But an active iPhone in the car will report when interrogated under the 'Find My Phone' system without reliance on any Bluetooth connection. I intend to put an old iPhone 5 in the car plugged into the USB and hidden in plain sight in the centre console in a small cardboard box.

This is an official explanation.

"AirTags do not have a defined range because of how they connect to Apple's Find My network. You can locate an AirTag that's thousands of miles away or even internationally, providing it is within Bluetooth range of an iPhone."

What stops them chucking the phone out of the window?

 

[msej449]

Nine pages later and it's worth going back to the first page. One Ioniq was observed being stolen. The article claims that it's now the #2 most stolen car in the UK. When there were 122,000 thefts of which only 81 were EVs? And that 'Nissan Leaf owners are at the highest risk of car theft' Uh?

I‘m just having trouble here equating 81 thefts within the entire EV population to the number of Ioniq 5s that are being claimed to have been stolen. Even if the Ioniq5 is the #2 EV for thefts, how many is that? 30 in one year? 40? So how does that compare to any other model? And what’s the probability of theft given the Ioniq population? Is it disproportionate or what?

Edit: Ioniq 5 US sales for 2023 so far number over 28,000. BEV sales in the UK in 2022 numbered 14,449 but I can’t find a breakdown further by model. If we assumed 50% are the problem model in question, then that’s what, 30 thefts out of 7,225 cars or 1 in 240 chance of theft? I’ve no idea how this compares and whether it’s comparatively high, average or low.

 

[Hitstirrer]

What stops them chucking the phone out of the window?

It's inside a misleading package. An envelope will do. And the package is in the centre console along with a pen, sunglasses and misc leads. But if they decide to do a bit of housekeeping at a time when they are stressed over stealing £50k then the worst case is that you are back where you were before putting the phone in there.

 

[Hitstirrer]

The USB port is only powered when the car is switched on. Do you drive daily for long enough to recharge the phone?

Good point. Most days I do but sometimes not. But what I do have is a spare battery bank that my wife acquired as a freebie from somewhere but doesn't use it. Perhaps that would double the capacity - especially as the phone is not actually being used for anything except sitting there waiting to be asked where it is.

 

[motmot]

It's inside a misleading package. An envelope will do. And the package is in the centre console along with a pen, sunglasses and misc leads. But if they decide to do a bit of housekeeping at a time when they are stressed over stealing £50k then the worst case is that you are back where you were before putting the phone in there.

they’ll check that. See if anyone’s been daft enough to leave cash or cards behind…

make sure you set the phone to silent too 😀

 

[Hitstirrer]

they’ll check that. See if anyone’s been daft enough to leave cash or cards behind…

Perhaps. But this particular style of theft appears to focus on a quick exit from the scene of the crime - drive a mile or so - and dump it. Then keep observation of the dump site to see if is recovered by a tracker or any other activity. After a while with no change seen, they will assume that there is no tracker and then revisit and 'steal' it again knowing that they can then safely drive to their own location for the next stage.

As such, the dangerous part - the actual theft - will be left to a low-grade member of the gang with instructions to just do as they are told. However, by the nature of such a lowlife scumbag, they may just see if there are any tasty gizmos they can pocket from the glove box or console.

In any case, the need to keep that phone charged at all times led me to ponder on putting it under the bonnet and using the 12v DC battery to charge it on a constant feed. The drain would be negligible as it would stop taking a charge when full anyway. An adapted 12v ciggy lighter plug to USB would work. Many places under there to hide it but at the first stage in their master plan they wouldn't even be opening the bonnet.

 

[artyman]

Perhaps when this news becomes general knowledge and sales of the Ioniq 5 slump Hyundai will wake up and do something about car security.. With all the electronics surely it is a simple matter to require a PIN code to be entered before it will start, three goes then a ten minute wait, before fresh attempt.

 

[Aleras]

Perhaps when this news becomes general knowledge and sales of the Ioniq 5 slump Hyundai will wake up and do something about car security.. With all the electronics surely it is a simple matter to require a PIN code to be entered before it will start, three goes then a ten minute wait, before fresh attempt.

Pin to drive was rolled out as an OTA update by Tesla for all its cars due to thefts of some early Model S

 

[Spiny]

I see jaguar landrover have started a recall over their security problem. Hyundai next?

 

[MarkyM]

I see jaguar landrover have started a recall over their security problem. Hyundai next?

And that has only taken 2 years!

 

[I'm a BeliEVer]

So there are 7 reported stolen on just this thread (possibly 8 , Yanny's neighbour?):

@db- @Yanny @IONIQ 5 Ultimate tech and @Ioniq 5 stolen

Feel awful for all of you.

Would suggest I5/I6/EV6/GV60 owners need to urgently get another tracker fitted and not rely on Hyundai/Bluelink/police/insurance.

For my part I have added a steering lock, second tracker, and keeping a baseball bat in the porch

 

[Aleras]

And that has only taken 2 years!

Saw that recalling thousands of vehicles for security upgrade. Typical legacy auto.

 

[JayAy]

There are three different attack approaches being used and all the E-GMP based cars (Ioniq5/6, Kia EV6 and Genesis GV60) are currently susceptible to all three approaches.

Relay Attack
The common relay attack (which is widely publicised). One device takes the signal from your key fob amplifies it and send it to another close to your car. The car simply sees the correct expected signal and opens and starts.
This can me mitigated by keeping your keys in a container that does not allow wireless signals to leak out - a Faraday box.

Key Cloning
This approach requires access to your key to simply make a digital copy, which for all intents and purposes is then identical to the original.
Careful who you give your key to.

Key Emulator
A device is placed close to the car to receive the car's signal. The device then takes between 10 and 120 second approximately to find the correct signal to unlock the car and this can then be saved for later use.
A secondary authentication system is needed to prevent the car from starting, but if this is hooked into Bluelink Connected Services that can be disabled once access to the car has been gained. There's not much apart form physical krooklock type approach that can help here.

 

[gmkamalpa]

So there are 7 reported stolen on just this thread (possibly 8 , Yanny's neighbour?):

@db- @Yanny @IONIQ 5 Ultimate tech and @Ioniq 5 stolen

Feel awful for all of you.

Would suggest I5/I6/EV6/GV60 owners need to urgently get another tracker fitted and not rely on Hyundai/Bluelink/police/insurance.

For my part I have added a steering lock, second tracker, and keeping a baseball bat in the porch

So my insurance are saying they’ll do new for old (like for like) not sure how that works given my vehicle has 3-4 month lead time. But any recommendations on immobiliser/tracking systems? Not going to go the jury rigged versions as they seem easy enough to disable/have flaws.

I’d rather not get another Ioniq 5 in the current uncertain circumstances on security but seems like my insurance seem worried about this being fraud I assume.

 

[simcity]

But any recommendations on immobiliser/tracking systems?

Make sure whatever you get installed is kosher Thatcham approved/rated for it to be valid with your insurance company. Ideally a Thatcham Category S5 tracker, that requires secondary driver ID (a tag) that needs to be recognised by the system, otherwise it raises an alarm.