[CHR1SG]

I am test-driving a plug-in hybrid tomorrow 30-mile range on battery, Average of 217.3 mpg

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[CHERYLWARD]

I had a poke around one of those.
The boot is tiny because of the battery, if that's of importance to you.
Nice looking car, inside and out though.
Only has 3 year warranty now if you're buying new.

 

[Padrino]

~ £36,000 - £42,000. 0-62mph in 7.9 seconds 54.3mpg WLTP Combined. No PHEV mode.

Sound exactly like my son VW UP with two "small" differences....It doesn't cost north of £36 K (more like £6500 he paid for it with under 20K miles on the clock) and get average in the real world of 55 MPG any day of the week...I personally have seen over the run of 45 miles return of 68 MPG

 

[Padrino]

That could easily take the MSRP to £39,000 - £44,000. That is getting into Model 3 and Polestar 2 prices. Volvo EX30 starts at £33,975.

I drove Polestar 2 yesterday for about 30 miles.... I like it a lot. It is not Tesla Performance but it is very nice place to be. I will try to convince my other half that it will be better if we get her one of them instead of second Tesla as she want right now.

 

[Stinsy]

I really do think that we shouldn't be selling cars without a type-2 socket. I'm not talking about 2030, I'm talking about right now!

Even if it isn;t plugged in by the current owner, the next will/might. And there is a well-known phenomenon of PHEVs being a gateway drug to full-BEV ownership.

 

[GOSPORT DAVE]

Couple of EPOWER Reviews by the man in Norway.

Nissan X-Trail e-Power e-4orce winter fuel consumption test

Nissan X-Trail e-Power e-4orce 1000 km challenge (reference test)

 

[WithEthyl]

I am test-driving a plug-in hybrid tomorrow 30-mile range on battery, Average of 217.3 mpg

I'd say treat the 217mpg average with a lot of caution because that will be based on an assumed portion of electric driving, with that incredibly high mpg value dependent on a large portion of electric driving at close to infinitely high mpg to pull up the actually efficiency of the petrol engine.

For example: a 40 mile test run, with 30 miles in EV mode and 10 miles in petrol hybrid mode with the hybrid part at 50mpg when combined with the EV part gives you: 40 miles / (10 hybrid miles / 50mpg in hybrid mode) gallons = 200 mpg.

That is great on paper and when your journeys are mostly shorter trips within the EV range, but if you make more longer distance journeys then your actual mpg will be a lot worse. You can't travel 217miles on a full charge and 1 gallon of fuel!

The figure you need to find, if you can track it down, is the typical mpg when the battery is empty and it is running as a petrol hybrid (which is probably nearer 50 or 60mpg if you're lucky), then you can judge the real-world performance better. Short distance it behaves as a pure EV, once beyond that the mpg heads steadily downward toward that base efficiency.

 

[Padrino]

I've just watched the second video....bottom line is that the Tesla M3P (same is mine) done the same trip of a 1000 km (620 miles) for 45 minutes longer. However, for the trip with the Nissan he used over 100 litres of fuel with the price of 1.7 Euros per litre (£1.45 in today exchange rate) this bring the cost to over £ 145.00. Tesla at the same time had average consumption of 4.1 miles per kWh. 620/4.1= 151 kWh. At the super charger the price is £0.39 per kWh, so.... total cost £58.90. For £90 quid difference on only one trip I am very happy to be 45 minutes "late"

 

[Stinsy]

I've just watched the second video....bottom line is that the Tesla M3P (same is mine) done the same trip of a 1000 km (620 miles) for 45 minutes longer. However, for the trip with the Nissan he used over 100 litres of fuel with the price of 1.7 Euros per litre (£1.45 in today exchange rate) this bring the cost to over £ 145.00. Tesla at the same time had average consumption of 4.1 miles per kWh. 620/4.1= 151 kWh. At the super charger the price is £0.39 per kWh, so.... total cost £58.90. For £90 quid difference on only one trip I am very happy to be 45 minutes "late"

Let us not forget that you’re supposed to stop for 20mins every 2hrs anyway anyway!

 

[tom66]

That could easily take the MSRP to £39,000 - £44,000. That is getting into Model 3 and Polestar 2 prices. Volvo EX30 starts at £33,975.

It's also a Nissan. They had a great reputation 20 years ago but I would never buy one these days - I might consider an electric one on the basis of much less to go wrong, but they even managed to cock up the Leaf battery reliability so who knows what else they'll miss.

 

[Ethanedwards]

I sold my Quashqai when I got fed up with bits dropping off. I've had an Xtrail T30 ( for years) ..Great build quality, made from girders. It heavily influenced me buying the QQ. Lets just say whatever they once had...no longer found.

 

[CHR1SG]

I'd say treat the 217mpg average with a lot of caution because that will be based on an assumed portion of electric driving, with that incredibly high mpg value dependent on a large portion of electric driving at close to infinitely high mpg to pull up the actually efficiency of the petrol engine.

For example: a 40 mile test run, with 30 miles in EV mode and 10 miles in petrol hybrid mode with the hybrid part at 50mpg when combined with the EV part gives you: 40 miles / (10 hybrid miles / 50mpg in hybrid mode) gallons = 200 mpg.

That is great on paper and when your journeys are mostly shorter trips within the EV range, but if you make more longer distance journeys then your actual mpg will be a lot worse. You can't travel 217miles on a full charge and 1 gallon of fuel!

The figure you need to find, if you can track it down, is the typical mpg when the battery is empty and it is running as a petrol hybrid (which is probably nearer 50 or 60mpg if you're lucky), then you can judge the real-world performance better. Short distance it behaves as a pure EV, once beyond that the mpg heads steadily downward toward that base efficiency.

it will be ideal for the wife to go to work @12 miles a day, that said i don't think it will do 30 miles on the battery the way my wife drives

 

[Gary Bainbridge]

Electric range 2.5 km - What!!
My 8 year-old Mitsubishi now only has a usable capcity of 6kWh but that still gets me 18 miles. I would expect at least 5 miles from 1.8 kWh.

 

[DBedford]

I am test-driving a plug-in hybrid tomorrow 30-mile range on battery, Average of 217.3 mpg

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Nope, mpg figures all fixed as a result of the wonderful approved testing method.
why would you want a car that has ICE engine to drive an electric motor?

 

[tom66]

Electric range 2.5 km - What!!
My 8 year-old Mitsubishi now only has a usable capcity of 6kWh but that still gets me 18 miles. I would expect at least 5 miles from 1.8 kWh.

Being a hybrid battery, very little will be used.

The Prius for instance used a 1kWh Ni-MH battery, but typically the state of charge would move between 40% and 60%. This maximised lifespan by limiting the number of effective cycles performed on the battery.

It's quite likely that as long as Nissan have used a 3rd party to supply the hybrid battery, and used a decent chemistry, this will not be the failure point of the vehicle. Li-Ion hybrid batteries are quite common now, and Toyota warranty theirs to 15 years.

 

[CHR1SG]

I'd say treat the 217mpg average with a lot of caution because that will be based on an assumed portion of electric driving, with that incredibly high mpg value dependent on a large portion of electric driving at close to infinitely high mpg to pull up the actually efficiency of the petrol engine.

For example: a 40 mile test run, with 30 miles in EV mode and 10 miles in petrol hybrid mode with the hybrid part at 50mpg when combined with the EV part gives you: 40 miles / (10 hybrid miles / 50mpg in hybrid mode) gallons = 200 mpg.

That is great on paper and when your journeys are mostly shorter trips within the EV range, but if you make more longer distance journeys then your actual mpg will be a lot worse. You can't travel 217miles on a full charge and 1 gallon of fuel!

The figure you need to find, if you can track it down, is the typical mpg when the battery is empty and it is running as a petrol hybrid (which is probably nearer 50 or 60mpg if you're lucky), then you can judge the real-world performance better. Short distance it behaves as a pure EV, once beyond that the mpg heads steadily downward toward that base efficiency.

I would imagine that 50/60 mpg is being generous 1.6 normal asperated engine more like 45/50 mpg

 

[Blanik]

For example: a 40 mile test run, with 30 miles in EV mode and 10 miles in petrol hybrid mode with the hybrid part at 50mpg when combined with the EV part gives you: 40 miles / (10 hybrid miles / 50mpg in hybrid mode) gallons = 200 mpg.

The figure you need to find, if you can track it down, is the typical mpg when the battery is empty and it is running as a petrol hybrid (which is probably nearer 50 or 60mpg if you're lucky), then you can judge the real-world performance better. Short distance it behaves as a pure EV, once beyond that the mpg heads steadily downward toward that base efficiency.

The other important figure is the cost per mile. The official figure suggests electricity is free.
30 miles in EV mode at 3m/kwh = 10kwh @ 30p = £3 [ this could be les on an off-peak tariff, or more on public ]
10 miles in Hybrid @ 50mpg = 1/5 gallon = £1.25
So 40 miles cost you £4.25 which is the same cost as 2/3 of a gallon, so the 40 mile test run is really equivalent to 60mpg.

 

[Bornidentity]

Plug In hybrid cars seem a bit pointless unless you regularly do longer trips and charging infrastructure is naff. There are people that they make sense for though.

This car makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for anyone. It’s just like a diesel electric train, apart from it’s a car that runs on petrol! The normal diesel version is more efficient and cheaper. It’s like Nissan designed a car without any regard physics. If you could plug it in and it had a battery range of 30 miles then it would be worth considering for some people.

 

[donald]

This car makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for anyone.

Well, I have just explained in what way it makes sense, but meh, whatever.

Ah! Money must be funny in a rich man's world. Glad you can afford the perfect technically ideal cars. Screw all the poorer people.

 

[Stinsy]

Plug In hybrid cars seem a bit pointless unless you regularly do longer trips and charging infrastructure is naff. There are people that they make sense for though.

This car makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for anyone. It’s just like a diesel electric train, apart from it’s a car that runs on petrol! The normal diesel version is more efficient and cheaper. It’s like Nissan designed a car without any regard physics. If you could plug it in and it had a battery range of 30 miles then it would be worth considering for some people.

PHEVs are a really good way to get sceptical consumers into a vehicle with a plug.

There was a time when you couldn't get a long-range BEV if you only had £15-20k to spend, but there were loads of PHEVs available in that price range. Nowadays you can get a used Kona for that money...