The R90 has a 92bhp motor versus the R110 with a 108bhp motor so there is a bit more power available but I don't know how much difference this makes in the real world. I believe the range should be about the same with both the R90/R110 having 5-10% more than the Q90 (now discontinued). All new Zoes have had split rear seats since late 2018 now so you'd only need to check if you're buying a used/ex-demo.

Not sure about the heater issues, there are plenty of Zoes out there that are fine. You're in an echo chamber here because it's probably the first place you're going to post if you have issues with your heater.

 

Vs the i3 then most things will feel sluggish

It’s a v nippy little beast

If you are buying new then the R110 is your only option

JJ

 

Up until roughly 20 mph ZOE is torque limited, not power limited. After that, it's full power and consequently, torque tampers off (power = torque * speed). So, 0-20 there is no difference, but an R110 will simply be on full torque a bit longer and higher torque all the way up. I have seen at least one driver here saying the difference is absolutely noticeable. Given it's roughly 20% I bet that is true. I have not heard any reports that the (software) limited maximum speed is anything different, which makes sense; the hardware basically hits it's RPM limit.

 

R110 does 0-60 in like 11sec and the older versions in 13ish seconds I believe. They are all nippy in town but not impressive for 50-70 acceleration.

 

Still faster than my ford sports KA and my father in laws toyota estima

It’s all relative

Even the mega fast Tesla’s top out and get eaten up over more than a 1/4 mile

JJ

 

Even the mega fast Tesla’s top out and get eaten up over more than a 1/4 mile

Good job there aren’t too many autobahns with traffic lights near me, so I don’t get shown up for owning a slow car.

 

Tested my new R110 Zoe up Jubilee Tower which is a local mile long 25% climb here in sunny Lancaster, it beats my old Diesel Fiesta Zetec S hands down and we caught an ICE car labouring up the hill! You will not be disappointed, I love it!

 

The Zoe is awesome up steep inclines. No worrying about burning out your clutch on the start either.

 

All sounds great. Thanks for the feedback. My journey to work here in South Wales involves climbing over a mountain. So do that twice a day. Sounds like the R110 will do it with ease.
In the VW Up if you lose momentum you have to drop to second gear. My i3 positively scoots up the mountain as if on the flat.

 

Just did another hill test at work in the Yorkshire Dales, showing a friend how quick it is, lost 5 miles of range going up a 1/2 mile long 25% gradient hill, got 3 miles back on the way back down

 

That's similar to my experience also in the i3. Lose a bit going up.Get re-gen on way down but never quite as much as what you lost on way up!

 

Well you wouldn't end up with the same if you were going on a flat road either eh?

Few mates of mine cruised through the alps always laughing all the way up, and when arriving at roughly the same altitude as when departed they had a very decent consumption.

 

Had the test drive today of the R110 and to be honest it was excellent. The Zoe is still a lovely car to drive (suspension supple enough), and quiet like all EVs and actually handles ok (with all the battery weight down low).

Now with the R110 this car is fast enough. Took it over the mountain x 2 and it accelerates really well. Up a steep incline no problem at all. Not i3 fast but definitely fast enough in comparison with the 90 version and the 110 cruised easily at 70mph with 40-70mph acceleration definitely now fast enough.

Dealer has located some final Signature Navs coming in. The newer S models will be factory orders so 2-3 month wait apparently.
He is pushing me for a battery lease version which I am not too keen on but there seems to be pros and cons to both "i" and "battery rental" options.Already read through those forum pages!

He is offering a decent discount (dealer contribution etc) off a Sig.ZE40 R110 to around £high teens + battery rental. Is that any good? Think list price is around £25k.

Still tempting to hang fire and wait for the Zoe 2 at end of year or most likely 2020 with CCS and great range and nicer interior, but then I guess it will be more expensive again.

 

Had the test drive today of the R110 and to be honest it was excellent. The Zoe is still a lovely car to drive (suspension supple enough), and quiet like all EVs and actually handles ok (with all the battery weight down low).

Now with the R110 this car is fast enough. Took it over the mountain x 2 and it accelerates really well. Up a steep incline no problem at all. Not i3 fast but definitely fast enough in comparison with the 90 version and the 110 cruised easily at 70mph with 40-70mph acceleration definitely now fast enough.

Dealer has located some final Signature Navs coming in. The newer S models will be factory orders so 2-3 month wait apparently.
He is pushing me for a battery lease version which I am not too keen on but there seems to be pros and cons to both "i" and "battery rental" options.Already read through those forum pages!

He is offering a decent discount (dealer contribution etc) off a Sig.ZE40 R110 to around £high teens + battery rental. Is that any good? Think list price is around £25k.

Still tempting to hang fire and wait for the Zoe 2 at end of year or most likely 2020 with CCS and great range and nicer interior, but then I guess it will be more expensive again.

I've ordered a Sig, with lease, went via CarWow and best price was about £16k PCP and that included paint. Prices fluctuate a lot though of course. How long a wait are they saying on these 'final Sigs'? I didnt think much of the S model when it was released, you pay more and dont get a great deal more whereas Sig included all the bits you'd want (i.e. heated seats, Bose etc). I guess you would be at least a year away from getting a Zoe 2 considering time to release date plus a long wait with all the demand it will generate, then once you're about to get it there'll be another one about to be released with even further range!

 

My car (battery lease) is worth 22K I got it for £12,500 so yes that's good. The day might come when you run out of charge and be glad you have the lease (or the battery dies and you haven't got 5K for a new one) I drove past someone in an i the other week who was flat - and so they were stuck unless they had their own breakdown. I prefer it all being built in to the monthlies

 

I debated lease or ownership for ages. I dont think its an easy choice one way or the other. In the end as a first EV driver and with EV's still in their relative infancy i decided i wanted the reassurance. That's what you're paying for really as well as cheaper up front costs which are mainly a benefit for a short-term PCP deal. If all goes well ill likely get an owned model next time and that's the way the industry will go as battery reliance is proven long term and prices drop.

 

I think the risk with waiting for Zoe 2 (aka 2020 model) is that they will reduce discounts yet again (*) and PICG could reduce again, so double wammy.

* - If rumours are true it will be have a 200 mile range which will increase demand, so why discount so much?

If the R110 does what you want, then I would be tempted to get one ASAP. Do check prices on Carwow and there were some pre-reg available too.

And yeah, let's not get back into a lease vs. owned battery debate yet again. Both have pros and cons...

Good luck!

 

battery owned comes with breakdown cover for 3 years.

 

Ah, but that doesn't cover running out of charge

I checked with my breakdown company (Autoaid) what they would do if I ran out of charge, and they confirmed they would flatbed me to a charger

 

Thanks all. Yes the whole point of the government grant was to make "going green" more attractive/cheaper. And without doubt it is taking off, going by EV sales figures and manufacturers saying they are now going all out electric for future models, so they will probably reduce the grant again before the end of this year and stop it completely soon after.
I do have breakdown cover with my car insurance at present but also with my bank so I guess I will be covered for that eventuality. I thought the whole reason Renault did this rental model was because at the beginning, the public were a bit worried about how long EV battery packs would last. Now with so much data with Teslas taxis doing 400,000 miles+, surely there is little to worry about. And more pertinently I do not plan to keep this or any car for that long or for that type of mileage anyway! The car still has a 3 year warranty. I have a feeling they will drop the battery rental model with Zoe2 because of that, but in some respects it is a nice little earner for Renault, helping to keep you "tied in".
Dealer just got back to me. An i Signature ( and you are right the Signature does seem fully loaded with decent spec!) for April delivery for just over £23k. Any good? Will have to do a Carwow search now to compare.
MM

 

Renault Zoe Owners Club have deals with some dealers - If you join (for free) you should be able to access better prices than on CarWow.

[Edited to remove actual deal details as requested]

 

All the offers on CarWow I have just received are for Dynamique models and no Signatures.
Keep reading about Badge in Black.May give him a call this weekend.

 

There were some pre-reg Zoe Signature on Carwow but looks like they sold. As others have said, factory orders have stopped for Signature now that "S" model has been released.

 

Can't see you'll be able to get a Sig via carwow as it's a model they no longer do. Prob would need to go direct to a dealer.

Taxis doing 10ks miles with original battery but they do short journeys typically so battery health can go low. The lease is not just maintaining the battery, it's guaranteeing it to 75% so you should always get around 100 miles plus in perpetuity, that's what tempted me with the lease. That said its increasingly sounding like you'd still expect a good 10 years I guess with no lower than 70/ 80%

 

its increasingly sounding like you'd still expect a good 10 years I guess with no lower than 70/ 80%

Maybe, but you can't take data on Tesla packs and chemistry and apply it to other makes. Zoe ZE40 are not very old yet, so it is difficult to predict risk of age-related capacity loss and failure. Early Leaf models are starting to show a lot of degradation and Zoe 22kWh did until the "magic" BMS update (for which there are plenty of threads already).

The battery owned Zoe ZE40 have 8 year, 100K warranty, so it really is a case of people making their own decision on upfront vs. ongoing cost. We don't need to go back around it again - please

Incidentally, with regard to generic breakdown cover, bear in mind a lot of policies are unlikely to provide flatbed recovery if you run out of electric.

 

AA will recover you to a polar charger with their breakdown cover.

 

Hopefully they do it properly with a flatbed, although some people claim you can tow a Zoe if the battery is flat. Anyone actually had them do it?

 

I hit 38 kw or something silly with regen. I didn't think it was possible with the R that only charges at 22kw.

 

After getting all excited and looking at figures etc decided to hold off. Purely as I came to the conclusion, that the Zoe although excellent at what it does, is at the end of its natural life cycle, and is soon to be replaced, as well as plenty of other competitors on the very near horizon (Peugeot 208 e etc).
Fast 100kwh CCS, true 200+ mile range and the option to have niceties such as LED headlamps etc are important after all. I felt I would always kick myself and say "why didn't I just wait a few more weeks/months" if I bought this version of the Zoe now.
Still really like the Zoe as it is, but it IS very expensive! For what it offers.
And I just get the feeling if the government grant does go, I suspect manufacturers will drop their prices accordingly!
Renault,Peugeot, Citroen etc cannot alienate their typical customer base with very expensive electric cars after all. Or at least that is what I feel. I believe the Zoe 2 will be a pretty similar price to the current Zoe but feel more like a 21st century product than Zoe 1.
MM

 

I think with EVs being pretty new tech in general, there's always going to be something bigger and better just around the corner, for the next decade at least :/

 

I understand that totally but it is a 6 year old model. The Zoe1 is a lovely cruiser on the motorway. Even with its present range would still be a great cruiser but as not CCS/Chademo etc it would be a big hassle taking further afield.
It limits its appeal. This would not be the case 4 years ago when there were hardly any comparable EVs around but now everything will soon be CCS enabled and so this really remains a commuter car (and it is still brilliant at that) but why own something so one dimensional, when we are about to have such multi use (normal use) EVs now being released.
It boiled down to price as well. £31k+ RRP which is kinda crazy. It is a city car after all. Yes the dealer discount was large but....
For an EV, it still has character though!

 

Renault is not doing themselves any favours with the high start price, i decided for it after getting a quote on carwow. the offer i got in december was £18807, and now same dealer on carwow is asking £21072 base spec 80kW i R110 40kWh Auto Dynamique Nav