A lot of this seems to be based around the horse. How many miles do you actually get out of it for money spent really, and how many miles for it's greenhouse gas emissions?

It's not like an old ICE car that you only bring out on Sunday is putting out any emissions 350 days a year. A horse then you essentially leave idling most of the year outputting emissions 24h hours a day when not in use.

Maybe it's time while the horse has some worth to move on before you only get scrap value from the glue factory.
Those saving could then potentially be invested into a more suitable vehicle.

Serious not serious.

 

(Stupid boy)

Gaz

 

If you re read my posts, you’ll see tgst I am NOT comparing the EQE with the EQC, so am comparing the EQE with the GLC and they are almost identical both inside and out.

That said, when we first bought our GLC, we were told tgst it was built on the E class platform so maybe calling it the GLC was wrong really in retrospect.

 

If you re read my posts, you’ll see tgst I am NOT comparing the EQE with the EQC, so am comparing the EQE with the GLC and they are almost identical both inside and out.

That said, when we first bought our GLC, we were told tgst it was built on the E class platform so maybe calling it the GLC was wrong really in retrospect.

Well I hope so as the new GLC EQ is my only choice to replace my EQE I cannot test drive the new car before I suspect the EQE is killed and I am loathe to order a new EQE if the new car on the new platform is better ( I am attracted by the V2L and V2H capabilities for sure faster charge speed and range are not that important to me)…..problem is too often the puff does not match the hype and the EQE SUV really is a car cut above……

 

People misuse the term platform all the time, it’s just a collection of modular drive parts. It’s not actually an indication of size or quality, the mra2 is used for the C and S class, as well as c and e coupe.

 

People misuse the term platform all the time, it’s just a collection of modular drive parts. It’s not actually an indication of size or quality, the mra2 is used for the C and S class, as well as c and e coupe.


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Not quite methinks yes relates to size which can be longer or shorter but will include suspension variation as well as motorisation both of which are relevant to differences in say a class mercedes v c or e class mercedes.
lots of data out there re the different platforms in the Mercedes worold currently the new mma ( cla front wheel drive) and mb. Ea c and above rear wheel drive. No doubt every manufacturer has variations.

 

Another one with a (so far) completely reliable e-tron but but in OP's shoes, I would also be willing to let that one and the whole brand go. Even if covered by warranty, how much inconvenience goes with having the car in for work - is pick up/drop off or loan car offered?

I'm not sure a newer ICE would be half the price if considering like for like. As mentioned before, BMW seem to be at parity. Taking out the outliers, 2019 e-trons start around the £15k mark, while you would need £25k+ for a 2019 Q7, even though the latter might have been cheaper new. The e-tron had depreciated more than ICE in absolute terms, perhaps will still do so more in the short term, but can only go so far down. Even when beyond economic repair, there will be decent value in its battery pack for a second life.

I accept that there's plenty more choice of cheaper older ICE if a largish 4x4 SUV is needed and may well be more cost effective.

My Jaguar V8 that preceded the e-tron was super reliable over the ten years I had it. It could have had big bills if the engine went pop but I took the risk. On the other hand, my wife's MINI needed expensive engine work at 40,000 miles due to flimsy plastic chain guides failing inside the engine and worn valve guides leading to plumes of blue smoke. Or according to the main dealer, absolutely fine apart from a tiny leak being the reason for needing extra oil. Despite a specialist fixing it and then all being sorted, we lost confidence, so it was replaced by the e:Ny1. (That came up further up in the thread and is a Honda - a subpar implementation but not a rebadge - but for no good reason here as while cheap used it is FWD, small and cannot tow so not a contender here.)

Anyway, whatever it is that's very modern and complex - ICE or EV - has the risk of lots going wrong. The e-tron doesn't have much that can be done in terms of preventative maintenance to help avoid it. Really depends on how cheap it would be to buy at the end.

 

Yeah spot on. I think if I can get it for say 12-13k I might just do it.

If not I've kind of convinced myself I'll lease a EQC 400 for 2 years and see where the world is and I am then.

The e-tron may not have anymore issues going forward and ultimately the batts/motor are covered for another nearly 3 years and 40k mibes its a really late 2020.

So if I got 3 years out of it and it then was worth nothing, i would still be up Vs leasing something for 3 years.

 

I hope people aren't taking my post as me not considering Musk to be an absolute balloon of a human being, I do. My point was more should people people be conflating their dislike of him as a reason not to by a Tesla, I don't think they should.

If we were to dig into the people behind all the big Chinese car makers for example there would probably be horrendous stuff in the background regards environmental abuse and human rights abuse. People are still cooing over the value and increase in quality with these vehicles. Musk is out in the public eye and folk have become focused on him (through his own actions).

If we're doing that then I think you're left cycling and walking everywhere. Although I'm sure there will also be alot of horrendous people/companies making bikes and shoes 🤣

 

What all all reading do you do?

 

Tried to read that comment, and succeded but failed miserably to understand anything I had read.

 

Audi ET Trons do not have a good reputation anyway, but what will you do if you buy an ICE car and that goes wrong (as they often do) back to EV??

 

The main point is for the type of car I want there's not a lot of choice and once they get to 8yrs old/100k miles (I'm planning on keep it for a few years) if the motors or batts go wrong then the car would effectively be a write off and that's a lot of money to wave goodbye to.

Either I need to up the budget and buy something newer well within the 8 yr warranty period or buy something cheaper (older/higher mileage) that if it did have a major issue i could stand the financial loss.

Obviously, a motor/batt full failures are not that common, but as these EVs (e-trons, EQCs) are still fairly newish, there's not many driving around with 100k plus miles or any that have reached 8yrs so who knows how reliable they will be.

I guess what I'm not taking into consideration is, an equivalent ICE Q8 vs an e-tron would be twice the price, so in effect I would be starting off already with thousands saved.

Anyway I've kind of decided, I can't/not willing to live with Audi's sucky service going forward so it's not going to ever get an Audi of any kind.

I've also decided b4lls to it, I'm either going to lease a Merc EQC 400 for a couple of years or I'm going to buy a nearly new BMW IX M50/60 M Sport. I've always been a BMW/Merc guy really from my 20s and now I know why.

 

Update, Wednesday was 2 weeks since the e-trons drive box failed.

I think the lease company were thinking of writing it off due to the cost, but in the end Audi did a part Goodwill gesture, the earliest Audi can start work is on the 27th October and it's a two day job.

No courtesy or loan car from Lease company or Audi so I've got to suck it up.

I've raised a complaint case as since I leased this in February 24 it's now on its 10th week I haven't been able to use it with various things failing.

Once this current issue is sorted they will look at financial compensation for the time I've not been able to use it as as as I'm concerned this is not for for purpose.

So in theory 3-4 months worth of leasing payments should be refunded.

Anyway for the last couple of weeks I've been looking at various options for what to do when the lease is up in February and the car goes back.

Everything ranging from, fixing my ICE X5 and using that, to buying a new EV and everything inbetween.

Majorly glad I choose to pay a bit extra to include component failure when I took out the lease.

Anyway sticking with EVs.

 

I have posted another thread about have you convinced anyone else to get an EV.

As I'm in here and it's a weekly update here goes.

One of my caravan friend/families (I've got a static in Wales we frequent) have finally caved in.

They've both got his and hrs Vauxhall Grandland EVs this week. So far appear to be loving the switch. They PCP their motors so when you take into account the petrol Vs Electricity difference they are almost getting a free car each when you look at the monthly running costs, total no brainer.

My best childhood friend is getting his brand new Audi Q6 e-tron delivered tomorrow.

Yes the irony hasn't been lost that I was full of praises about the e-tron, convinced him to get one then mine basically went bang as he got his delivery date confirmed.

As his will be a brand new one any issues will be sorted under warranty and will have a replacement car, so it won't be as traumatic as my experience if something goes wrong lol.

There's one of my other friends who's a petrol head is now looking at Tesla model 3 performances. So I recon I will have personally helped to save a few Polar bears or something going forward.

Hopefully god will see my great saving the world skills and stop my Audi from breaking anymore going forward.

 

It's certainly a lot easier convincing those that do a PCP and buy a new car frequently. My mother (pensioner) gets free electricity (long story) and still with my swap over despite paying £35 a month service/warranty plus about £50 in petrol on her 2019 VW ICE.

 

A little part of me wants to just go and buy a brand new Renault 5E, they look so cool.

You can even put a tow bar on it and the 500Kg tow weight can just about tow our heaviest Jetski. Also ideal when me and my son go EMTBing we can charge them off grid directly from the car, maybe get a tent set up and power lights and kettles lol.

Told the Mrs I'm not doing anymore towing with her horse and she needs to get a 3.5 Tonne Horse Box.

Although I'm starting to think I need a quality used BMW IX 50/60 M60 (will make sure it has remaining then extended full warranty of I do.

I've got past the front grill looks, when I saw its made from Carbon Fibre I thought I think I need it in my life.

I've looked and thought about so many cars on the last two weeks it's driving me mad.

 

little part of me wants to just go and buy a brand new Renault 5E, they look so cool.

You can even put a tow bar on it and the 500Kg tow weight can just about

or Renault 4…
750kg tow instead of 500kg
More space
Different Cool vs Cool
Brake regen paddles vs None

( just to add to the sleepless nights 😂)