Why would you compare a Fiesta with an MG ZS? What about a Ford Kuga?

 

Since when was it just about fuel costs? There's also servicing as well as the planet.

 

There's also servicing as well

If only. Nissan’s EV “servicing” is a rip off. At least with an ICE you get something for your £220.

 

You leaving the house on zero miles range then?

 

Why didn't you use Ionity prices? It would have skewed things even further in the diesel's favour.

 

Don’t forget to use MSA fuel prices….

 

How close was it then?

 

I also have a fiesta, well my daughter has. As much as the green credentials mean something to many of us the cost of filling up is the question I always get asked as I'm sure many of you do to..... together with the initial high cost of the car. My point is if it's already costing more to "fill up" a ev out and about how on earth will you convince the public to go electric ?

 

Easy don't give them a choice, no new ice after 2029 remember, 2030 BEV or PHEV only. 2035 BEV only.

 

If the 500 mile trip started from your house then you would only have paid 5pkwh at the start and could have arrived home with say 20% so would have only need to charge twice to 80%-90%.

 

Why would he have paid 5p to start? Not all of us can have smart meters. 17.69p here (still cheaper than the diesel but still). Poster makes a valid point. Even more so when considering if it is a company car for business journey. Then would only get 5p per mile back from that high charge cost in comparison to 10/12 p per mile on diesel, leaving company users significantly out of pocket if using on longer journeys

 

I have no home charging, I live in an apartment block with no charging points... no cheap home charging.

 

Then don't get an EV. They don't suit everyone's circumstances.

 

Even at £1.41, which diesel was at my local Asda last week, my ID.3 is still cheaper per mile than my old diesel Laguna when using 40p (Instavolt / Osprey) on the Zap-Map comparison.

Without home charging I know I will pay more than those with home charging and I’m OK with that as I have a much better car than I had and I don’t have noxious fumes coming out of the back. Also helps that I did my first 6100 miles using free chargers. Even got a free vend on the new Gridserve chargers at IKEA Warrington this week.

 

I'm optimistic that public charging prices will fall over time. The market is still in its early stages, the utilisation of many charge points is poor so the companies have to add a large margin to help cover their costs, plus competition is still limited in many areas.

As utilisation increases the costs are spread over a greater quantity of kWh so the unit costs fall and greater competition will push those benefits through to consumers.

 

I can’t seem them falling. They’ve yet to add fuel duty to it, in some way, shape or form.

If you added a fuel duty equivalent then many diesel maybe even petrol cars would be cheaper to run in terms of fuel.

 

My diesel ICE is already cheaper than running a BEV off the current typical domestic electricity day rate. No need to even go on a long trip for that to be true.

Hands up all those really pleased / smug to be an EV...

As the header says ( apologies if this thought has been posted elsewhere), Hands up all those feeling really pleased / smug at being an EV owner TODAY ?? .....and an Octopus customer to boot. ( for info Octopus very kindly refunded the majority of my credit on my account today on first request...

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My diesel ICE is already cheaper than running a BEV off the current typical domestic electricity day rate. No need to even go on a long trip for that to be true.

My diesel ICE is already cheaper than running a BEV off the current typical domestic electricity day rate. No need to even go on a long trip for that to be true.

Hands up all those really pleased / smug to be an EV...

As the header says ( apologies if this thought has been posted elsewhere), Hands up all those feeling really pleased / smug at being an EV owner TODAY ?? .....and an Octopus customer to boot. ( for info Octopus very kindly refunded the majority of my credit on my account today on first request...

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How do you manage that? Even at 60mpg diesel is 11p a mile. At a very poor and expensive 3 miles and 25p per kWh that's 8.3p a mile.
I just did my first public recharge for a long time. It still worked out at about £5 for a 160 mile round trip. Would have cost £25 in my previous diesel car.

 

Since we got home charging I’m paying more than when I was public charging for the first 6 weeks which was basically free. Then I got lazy as I my nearest free charger was 20 min walk away 😅

 

And of course the zero road tax, so that's about another 4.5p a mile cost so that would take my old diesel to 20p a mile whereas in the eight months I've had the E Niro it's cost me 1.7p a mile

 

First off this is crazy. Without owning a home charger ev's are going to be too expensive. Surely all AC connectors should bill your car directly to your home electricity tarrif at the same rate wherever in the country you charge (or be free) . Thus people charging on lamppost or slow chargers overnight who can't charge at home are not penalised (also make things easier for us all). We don't need to use an app or a fob or even Contactless. The chargers already have the ability to know your car and what tariff you are on. Let's just use the inbuilt technology.

Secondly please compare apples to apples. So compare an mg zs ev to an MG zs diesel. Compare a e208 to a 208 diesel etc.

 

First off this is crazy. Without owning a home charger ev's are going to be too expensive. Surely all AC connectors should bill your car directly to your home electricity tarrif at the same rate wherever in the country you charge (or be free) . Thus people charging on lamppost or slow chargers overnight who can't charge at home are not penalised (also make things easier for us all). We don't need to use an app or a fob or even Contactless. The chargers already have the ability to know your car and what tariff you are on. Let's just use the inbuilt technology.

Secondly please compare apples to apples. So compare an mg zs ev to an MG zs diesel. Compare a e208 to a 208 diesel etc.

Exactly my thought.. If AC chargers could just add electricity you use when out and about to you home electric bill then the ev take up would be far quicker..

 

cars MG ZS EV and ford fiesta diesel

Maybe it would have been better to compare Fiesta with a Zoe? After all they are nearly the same size.
For me to travel 500 miles in the Zoe and paying a fixed 41p per kW I’d spend around £55 give or take (calculated travelling 200miles with 50kWh usable). How much would it be for the Diesel Fiesta?
In the real world if you were able to charge at home you could easily take £10-£15 off this.

 

 

It’s good to know my sums seem to be in the same ball park for the Zoe. And using the 40p/kWh is worst case, there are cheaper prices out there.

 

 

Having driven EVs for 5yrs now i would happy pay more for the fuel just for the supier ride etc and knowing i am not polluting the air. PS Benzene is a 100% carcinogenic whose highest concentrations is found in cars!

 

PS Benzene is a 100% carcinogenic

So, everyone who has smelt petrol vapours will get cancer?



Well, that WOULD be a bit of a reason to want a BEV, if you believed it.

 

If the Government can afford to freeze fuel duty for the last 11 years, what makes people so certain they will start introducing energy duty to electric cars? Genuine question.

 

Whilst they need to do something to recoup the £30bn income they get at the moment, a tax on electricity isn’t likely the way. A combination of tailpipe tax and road pricing could be the solution: UK public warms to road pricing as fuel duty replacement considered

 

Apparently the fuel duty freeze is costing the exchequer £11.2bn in 2019-20 rising to £13.9bn in 2022-23 if the freeze continues. Not to mention the 5% increase in Carbon emissions.

Analysis: Fuel-duty freeze has increased UK CO2 emissions by up to 5% - Carbon Brief

 

32 posts and I’m only the second person to say the BEV is better for air quality…. Far far better.

for me - being cheaper is a nice bonus. But It’s cleaner - quieter - and a far better driving experience than the equivalent ICE.

 

[citation needed]

What is the particulate emissions of BEV, please?

 

The government will be hyper sensitive to anything that makes it look like EVs are more expensive to run than an equivalent ICE vehicle, and at the moment by any sensible measure they aren’t.

Sure, we have the people who drive an old diesel and claim 90+ mpg, but they aren’t typical.

There is some element of truth in the first post though, in that a lot of people only really care about their pocket, and far far less about local air quality.

I think as long as BEVs are on cost parity, even recharging them in one of the most expensive ways possible, then it’s still a win.

Honestly though, people who join the forum only to make the ‘EVs are more expensive than ICE to run!’ claim, or the long term members who only seem to exist to belittle and antagonise along with being a mouthpiece for the fossil fuel car industry can safely be ignored, IMHO.

 

It seems the OP joined the forum and immediately started this thread presumably as a wind-up, if he'd done these calculations before buying the MG he could have bought a diesel Fiesta instead.

 

If you take the original post as a wind up so be it but, as stated, it was a bit of fun that I looked it up, as stated my daughter has the fiesta. To be honest I was quite surprised how much charging on the go had risen in price in these early days of adoption. I fear the big oil giants will eventually buy out all the well located networks and dictate prices but its still a bit of a shock to realise they have kicked prices so high already. Could the oil companies be "playing the game" ?

 

I’m not looking for evidence, I just compare like for like. My Zoe definitely produces less particulates then the Fiesta it replaced for example.