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Tesla’s launch of Model Y RWD is the nail in the coffin at the worst time for legacy auto

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#1 ·

Last night, Tesla launched the Model Y RWD on its website, and with federal and local incentives, it could cost buyers under $31,000 as it qualifies for the full EV tax credit from the government. Packing the LFP, or lithium iron phosphate battery pack, Tesla has brought its most popular car to an affordable level with reasonable range ratings and more than acceptable performance metrics.

Equates to around £24k over here.

They are going to control the EV charging network and a large proportion of Ev market at this rate in the states.
 
#4 ·
They are going to control the EV charging network and a large proportion of Ev market at this rate in the states.
They already got the market.....

"Tesla Outsold Its Next 19 Competitors Combined In US In H1 2023
It wasn't even a contest as Tesla sold 325,291 EVs while the next 19 rivals totaled 214,542 EV sales."

 
#5 ·
Not correct, at least in my State, Washington.



Price after probable savings$38,932
Est. Total Cost$50,032
Vehicle Price$43,990
Destination Fee$1,390
Order Fee$250
Est. Non-Tesla Fees
Registration Amount$250
Sales Tax$4,152
Federal Tax Credit1-$7,500
Est. 3-year gas savings-$3,600
Taxes and fees listed are estimates only, subject to change, and may not be accurate to you, depending on factors like your registration location. Your applicable taxes and fees will be confirmed for you closer to time of delivery.
 
#6 ·
Not correct, at least in my State, Washington.



Est. Total Cost$50,032
Price after probable savings$38,932
Vehicle Price$43,990
Destination Fee$1,390
Order Fee$250
Est. Non-Tesla Fees
Registration Amount$250
Sales Tax$4,152
Federal Tax Credit1-$7,500
Est. 3-year gas savings-$3,600
Taxes and fees listed are estimates only, subject to change, and may not be accurate to you, depending on factors like your registration location. Your applicable taxes and fees will be confirmed for you closer to time of delivery.
You can't even read your US Tesla web site correctly......and if you read the article in the first post, it is clearly stated that this is the price BEFORE TAXES and DESTINATION CHARGE and after rebates.

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#9 ·
Yes we do, around £43K in stock or you can order one for delivery next month.
 
#14 ·
You all do realise that the price listed on US Tesla website is ex-tax etc...
I would assume not.

The Model Y RWD has been the base model here in the UK for a while now and it costs £45,000. So unless I have missed something, this is simply the Model Y RWD releasing in the US. And somehow the OP simply missed this glaring omission.
 
#27 ·
That will still be faster that most ICE fast hot hatches made today costing the same money or less.
BMW X3 30i is six seconds. 2L petrol inline 4. Closer to what the MY is competing against.

MSRP is around $50,000 US but most customers buy them on heavily discounted finance offers. BMW North America don't offer rebates or money off because it "cheapens the brand" They hide the substantial discounts in the finance offer.

"I'm driving a $55,000 car, but only paying $325 a month." . . .
 
#36 ·
Going back to the OP, I personally don’t think the RWD model Y will be THE car that “be the nail in the coffin” for ICE. Far from it honestly, certainly in Europe and UK.

The nail in the coffin will be a small, cheeky, well priced hatchback that needs to knock the socks of the Ford Fiesta / Puma. A proper Polo / Golf replacement. Sorry that’s none of the current crop of VW ID.’s and I think clearly the market agrees.

Feels like the best chance of that will be something from the Chinese names. Unless the Europeans pull a blinder. Tesla seems happy to milk the 3 and Y bandwagon for as long as they can and is there a sign of a model 2 yet? All I’m seeing is CyberTruck nonsense stateside.
 
#38 ·
The MG4 51kWh comes close. Quite basic spec but about the same cost and size as a Golf/Focus. The only letdown is the combined 210/155 summer/winter range. Once we get to 250/200 summer winter range for £25k for a new Golf sized EV, that will be the turning point.

Edit: well as long as the infrastructure supports home charging for those without off street parking.
 
#41 · (Edited)
I have to admit the Model Y exterior styling is nice, particularly the dark metallic blue. They are a barge though and I thought my I-Pace was big.

Compared to a 3 RWD, a Y RWD is

56mm longer
41mm wider
157kg heavier

MY turning circle 12.1m
M3 turning circle 11.6m

MY Ground clearance 172mm
M3 Ground clearance 140mm

There is more room in the Y, especially for the rear seat passengers. MY RWD gets the better immersive sound system. You have to order a M3 AWD if you want the better audio.

A new Model Y will have Autopilot hardware 4. The upcoming "highland" facelift will probalby have HW 4. An in-stock M3 is HW 3.








Going back to the OP, I personally don’t think the RWD model Y will be THE car that “be the nail in the coffin” for ICE. Far from it honestly, certainly in Europe and UK.

The nail in the coffin will be a small, cheeky, well priced hatchback that needs to knock the socks of the Ford Fiesta / Puma. A proper Polo / Golf replacement. Sorry that’s none of the current crop of VW ID.’s and I think clearly the market agrees.

Feels like the best chance of that will be something from the Chinese names. Unless the Europeans pull a blinder. Tesla seems happy to milk the 3 and Y bandwagon for as long as they can and is there a sign of a model 2 yet? All I’m seeing is CyberTruck nonsense stateside.

Sepember SMMT numbers are out. Tesla Model Y is in fourth place and the only BEV in the year-to-date top 10. There is an electric Puma due in 2024. Not much detail on the car yet.

Tesla M3 sales will take a nose dive as they switch over to the facelift. Cars ordered now won't be here until early next year.

Tesla teased the Model 2 at the 2023 shareholder meeting. I doubt it will be on the ground before the Ford.



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#43 ·
"I'm driving a $55,000 car, but only paying $325 a month." . . .
When I was in the US between 2005 and 2010 I've noticed exactly this. No one was interested in the actual cost of the car. The first question you were asked walking into a dealership was, "What is your monthly budget?" 😂😂
They can put you in a Ferrari if you want. I couldn't believe how the people never thought about overal cost of ownership. The same "culture" is evident here in the UK now as well.
It works for some people, but I've always been cash paying customer, so never worked for me.
 
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#45 ·
The first question you were asked walking into a dealership was, "What is your monthly budget?"
Once you've answered that question, the dealer has all the power in the transaction. They will manipulate the value of a trade in, down payment and everything else to hit that number. A customer has no idea how much money a dealer might be making.

Most US car dealers work on that sales program or a close variation. They want to get you in a new car on the day you walk in. That way a customer has no oportunity to shop.

Once your are in the store, they make it impossible to leave without being downright rude. It is awful. I refused to play but test drives could be downright painful.

And people wonder why Tesla are doing so well in America.