The ID4 doesn't.

Mine does and has done so from when I got it 2021. True you have to click on the destination (or intermediate charging stop) in the route summary on the right hand side of the nav screen to see it, but it is definitely there. It is dynamically updated during the drive to take account of actual consumption. The more up to date VW's are better, SW V5.0 is very good. (EDIT: SW V4.x and V5.x on VW ID cars also sorts out battery pre-heating)

I'm wondering what more you want in addition to that so folks can give a better answer to your question.

 

Mine does and has done so from when I got it 2021. True you have to click on the destination (or intermediate charging stop) in the route summary on the right hand side of the nav screen to see it, but it is definitely there. It is dynamically updated during the drive to take account of actual consumption. The more up to date VW's are better, SW V5.0 is very good. (EDIT: SW V4.x and V5.x on VW ID cars also sorts out battery pre-heating)

Ah thanks i'll have a look at what that's like when i next drive the ID4. Shame they can't add it to the driver display like they did for the trip / consumption info.

 

Renault Megane has been quite accurate but now seems to be a little cautious.
The Scenic is the same more or less but a larger vehicle.

Gaz

 

Mercedes EV range of cars! It shows on the top right hand corner of my Sat Nav when ever have a destination set.

 

The Mercedes system looks nicely done from looking online.

 

I don't find it necessary on my Ioniq 6 or Chevy Bolt before it.

I typically charge till the GOM reads +30 miles over actual distance to the stop, and add a little if I know conditions will be less favorable. Conditions to keep in mind are wind, temps, elevation, speeds. While that may sound complicated to do in your head, it has been surprisingly effective, my adjustment is typically to add 10-20 extra miles and it is always just a SWAG.

In about 250 DCFC stops on trips, only arrived with less than 20 miles of spare range three times, once due to unexpected closure of a site, once by design to test my wife's nerves. Never come up short! LOL

 

I think Audi etron does, but on the sat nav list of waypoints. Optionally it can also add charging stations, if you chose not to it will display something like -56% if you can't make it.
If you leave the waypoint open on the main screen I presume it updates, and you can use the sat nav display in the smaller dashboard for guidance.
But - it does NOT have a current SOC display. Only a petrol type gauge marked with ticks every 25%. To see the %SOC you need to swap to the battery display on the main screen ( so you would have to swap back and forwards between this and the estimated arrival % ).

In practice I add enough at the last chargepoint to arrive home at 10% ( so to 70% if it was showing -56% arrival) , and then just compare the distance to go with the GOM as I go along. The estimated arrival % is based on the same GOM logic.

 

It doesn't appear that Hyundai's / Kias do which is a shame. Think they can intelligently plan charging stops in? but don't show the info when driving.

My EV6 does that. It was part of the latest update.

When I plan a trip, it'll show me the estimated SoC on arrival. It can also plan longer trips with charging stops. It's not as good as e.g. Tesla or A Better Route Planner though but it works. It will also replan charger stops in case you take a different route or drive by a planned charger.

Tip: any car that has Android Auto would allow you to run A Better Route Planner on the infotainment screen. ABRP can integrate with the car via OBDII and get realtime info on battery SoC, speed, temp etc. so it'll be able to make very accurate calculations and adjust trip plans when circumstances change.

 

Can you see the SOC on arrival when you're driving? Looking at Bjorn Nyland videos i've seen how it shows it when planning but it then disappears. Can you get it back by viewing the route overview when driving or is it gone even if it's using it under the covers to replan?

The problem with ABRP, is the interface is dire. And you have to pay a subscription for the SOC integration? The interface is my main issue with it though tbh.

 

One more thing about ABRP in Kia / Hyundai cars: if you use anything but the built-in SatNav for route planning, you will lose the automatic battery preconditioning. I believe the facelift EV6 and / or the EV3 allow for manually pre-heating the battery, but not 100% sure.

 

Our XC40 is very accurate. I usually arrive with 1 or 2% more remaining than the initial prediction even over a fairly long run.

 

A new ID4 (or 3, 5, 7, or any other VAG car with the new MEB infotainment system and software 4/5) does all of the things you asked for. You do have to press a couple of times on the nav screen to see the SoC prediction.

An older ID4 does most of it, but not preheating for charging and the SoC prediction is inaccurate early in a journey unless all your journeys are similar (it does get accurate before SoC is low though).

I understand the SoC prediction has been improved on new models and now accounts for your specific planned route better, not just driving consumption history.

 

As few already had mentioned, Mercedes does it when you put destination. Tesla is the same. During my time owning Tesla I've noticed that it is very accurate. Usually within 1-2%. You can trust the car without hesitation about how much charge you have left.

 

Always displaying arrival SoC next to ETA should be bog standard in all EV’s nowadays.

But why some manufacturer sees fit to hide it in sub menus!?!?

No, running another nav software that first require log in to App Store to download and then require another subscription does not count. Nor does require any additional tool such as OBD, or smart phone.

 

There how I feel too, but I think an Ioniq 5 is a better bit of kit than a Renault Scenic or EQA/B so might sit in one to see how much of a problem it is in practice... a single button press for a pop up sounds reasonable.

 

Skoda Enyaq

Surprised the id4 isn't similar

 

It is

 

The Jaguar I-Pace will show you, and it's very accurate as well.

 

Yeah IPACE -he Incontrol image online/

:ater PIVI is a nice screen and this feature is cool for range left in car,

 

My old Audi etron didn’t show arrival state of charge but the guess o meter was so good it wasn’t necessary. It would show arrival SOC if you tap on the destination on the map.
My new Audi Q6 shows SOC at the next stopover on the map at all times there’s a destination or stopover.

 

If you activate the range display on my BMW iX1 and use the Sat nav it adds miles to go and arriving battery% in that display. Seems slightly conservative on couple of shortish journeys I just tested it on.

 

Saw this in a recent YT video. What do you think about this:

Ioniq 6 has moved the goal post.

 

Ioniq 6 has moved the goal post.

What did they do?

 

Wonder if there will still be 12/18 chargers available on the the third site by the time you get there 😜

It is good to see bits from the different cars nav systems since most reviews (erroneously I think) just say "it has car play / android auto" when that's pretty useless in an ev

I read that Hyundai etc are moving to Android Automotive next year?

 

Wonder if there will still be 12/18 chargers available on the the third site by the time you get there 😜

Does it matter? As long as it shows the status, and I can easily see it, who cares.

 

Mercedes EQ range does, the EQC was almost always spot on the EQE tends to overstate at the beginning by a 1% or 2% so we adjust mentally but the closer you get the more accurate it will be.

 

As noted in the very first post, the Polestar has this - but I would point out that its not very good ... it is wildly pessimistic and can easily change by 10-15 percentage points over a reasonable drive (of 100 miles, say). I guess that's better than being overoptimistic, but I've learned not to pay much attention in the first half of the journey.

 

That's not so good.

I had a play with a new Mini Countryman today with the fully circular display. The built in nav on that was pretty impressive.

Also looked at an EX30. The screen in that was a little smaller than I'd expected. Fast and responsive through.

 

As an aside, don't you think it's strange that despite all the hype about AI, navigation systems are stull so dumb?

I mean, wouldn't you like a system that was conversationally indistinguishable from a capable passenger who was doing navigation for you? This is what I mean as an eample.

EV: "Hi John. Given your destination it looks like you're going to arrive with a pretty low SoC of around 8%. If that's OK just say 'OK'. But if you want to me to plan some recharging en route say 'recharging'.
Me: "Recharging"

EV: "OK, so are you worried about cost?"
Me: "No"

EV: "Right,well, in that case you have two options. We can (a) recharge nearby and arrive with 48% SoC, or (b) take an 18 minute diversion and arrive with 70% SoC. If we do the latter, then you should be able to get home without another recharge. Do you want 'A' the nearby or 'B' the diversion option, or 'C' repeat."
Me: "B"

and so on. But we seem to be a long way from anything like this.

 

Why would you want that? From a communications POV, speech is the slowest means.

For example, in the time of you sample conversation, I can set a destination and the satnav will automatically add chargers, three times over.

 

I have a few thoughts on this subject, which probably won't go down too well given the thrust of the previous 54 thread entries. First of all, many ICE drivers who are considering buying their first EV, and reading about this kind of topic, would shelve the plan immediately. They are perfectly happy with setting off on a long trip and being unconcerned about how many litres of petrol will be in the tank when they arrive there. They are content to occasionally glance at the petrol gauge and coincide a refill with a coffee break. They then don't just fill with enough to get there with 20 miles range left. They fill up. And then watch the gauge again a few hundred miles further on. Overcoming that ICE habit is hard enough without introducing all kinds of complicated nav programming and decisions on which brand of EV to buy based purely on how well it does this nerdy stuff. Point one.

I have driven an EV for over 8 years now. The first 6 had no such enhancements yet I somehow managed to survive. I used the ICE strategy of scanning the instruments every ten miles or so for any warnings or things to be aware of. One of those would be the remaining % of battery. These days, in my Ioniq 5, I would know that each % related to 2.5 miles. So that a bit of mental gymnastics would give my remaining range, despite what the lying GOM was claiming. I would also know how far it was to my destination from there. Subtract one from the other and I could then plan my stop/recharge strategy. So I find no pressing need for a computer to try to second guess the SOC at destination for me. Point two.

I fully understand the advantage of having a pre-conditioning system in place for people who are seriously road tripping huge distances where charging stops are seen much like an F1 pit-stop. A dash to the loo - a Redbull - and onwards. But I suspect that most people are like me. A leg stretch, Costa, loo visit. And these days even without optimum preconditioning heat, and a mega fast charger, my Ioniq 5 is often ready to go before we are. Buying a car based on it being able to cut five minutes from a charge time is about the last on my must have list. Point three.

Bearing in mind the above, I would prefer the car to be a few thousand pounds cheaper and omit these features. I don't need them. And for sure, potential EV owners who are totally unaware of this kind of discussion would walk away if told that the car's price was much higher because of these enhancements, that they also would have no need for. And that put them off in the first place. Point four.

Look, I'm sorry if this annoys some of you. It's called an opinion. You know. That dying concept that must be slapped down immediately if it doesn't follow herd thinking. By all means bring forward convincing arguments to show how I have got this wrong. I will then change my opinion and join the groupthink.

 

Look, I'm sorry if this annoys some of you. It's called an opinion. You know. That dying concept that must be slapped down immediately if it doesn't follow herd thinking. By all means bring forward convincing arguments to show how I have got this wrong. I will then change my opinion and join the groupthink.

The thread, i thought, was addressing the OP's question. With peoples thoughts around that concern and the need for it or not.

If someone asked "is it really difficult to switch to using an EV" the answers would address that, probably with a resounding "No"