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#61 ·
Ambassador Spock said:
How long is your average startup time? Mine is usually fine, it is really just connecting to the phone that can occasionally take ages. (And this has been across four different phones so I doubt it is a phone issue)
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ID.3 owner here and phone connection is normally really quick. Only time it takes a bit longer is when a different phone was previously connected.
 
#62 ·
Big D56 said:
The ID3 is about the same size as the ID4, 300mm shorter & about 30mm narrower. But, it’s a much smaller boot, there’s no rear seat space to speak of try a child in there with an adult in front, one of you loses out, there’s not room for both, at least I couldn’t get in the front (5’ 11”).
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I disagree. For the size of car the ID3 has a lot of rear seat space. 6'2" with two kids.
 
#63 ·
Ambassador Spock said:
Hmm, I wasn't getting notification about replies, sorry about that!

To respond to a few of the suggestions:

  • The Megane is too wide (only 2 mm narrower than the ID.4), and also our 4-year experience with the Zoe put us off Renaults...
  • Renault 5 is too expensive (and a Renault)
  • ID.3 and Cupra Born are big contenders. For some reason I thought the ID.3 was the same width as the ID.4, but I see now that isn't true at all.
  • Kia Soul - can't get past the looks (sorry!) and it "feels" big to my wife
  • Leaf - would never even consider buying a chademo car in 2025...
  • MG5 - narrow but looong - wife has an issue with estates for this reason
I took a few minutes to put together this chart for the wife:

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(Range Rover just for comparison)

Standouts seem to be the e-Niro (not the new Niro EV) and ID.3/Born. The old Kona would be perfect but the boot is even smaller than my e-Golf's!
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I’d look at Autotrader for dimensions, they show the ID3 as 2080mm wide, that’s nearly 300mm more than your table shows.
(it shows the ID4 as 2108mm wide).

Not sure where you got your data but there’s a big difference between yours & Autotraders.

some sites only measure the car, ie, don’t include the mirrors.

i wouldn’t dismiss the Leaf so easily unless you do a lot of long trips. I’ve not had a problem using DC charging in mine on the odd occasion we use it for a slightly longer trip & thousandsxofvotherviwners don’t have acpriblem.

there are Chademo to CCS adaptors available but I can’t see the point of those. The Leaf isn’t really suitable for frequent fast charging on frequent long trips.
 
#64 ·
deec said:
One thing to watch with the eNiro - the boot may be listed as 451L online but the UK spec one is absolutely not. It has a foam insert that sits below the boot floor and probably removes around 75L.

Other market versions of the eNiro don't have this insert, I've no idea why they decided to put it in the UK one. If you're reasonably handy it's pretty trivial to remove the foam insert and create a new floor from a piece of ply covered with rubber sheeting, costs around £50 to make.
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I suspect you can get them ready made, either from Kia or as an aftermarket accessory from a specialist supplier (like you can frunks etc for multiple cars from that site in Ireland)
 
#65 ·
deec said:
This I can agree with. I can fit 4 big suitcases in the boot with the false floor removed but I need to drop the rear seats to get a bike in.
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You need to drop the rear seats in most cars to get a bike in, even in my Audi A6 estate & that’s nearly 5m long. A bike is quite long!
 
#71 ·
Big D56 said:
I’d look at Autotrader for dimensions, they show the ID3 as 2080mm wide, that’s nearly 300mm more than your table shows.
(it shows the ID4 as 2108mm wide).

Not sure where you got your data but there’s a big difference between yours & Autotraders.

some sites only measure the car, ie, don’t include the mirrors.

i wouldn’t dismiss the Leaf so easily unless you do a lot of long trips. I’ve not had a problem using DC charging in mine on the odd occasion we use it for a slightly longer trip & thousandsxofvotherviwners don’t have acpriblem.

there are Chademo to CCS adaptors available but I can’t see the point of those. The Leaf isn’t really suitable for frequent fast charging on frequent long trips.
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The ID3 feels much smaller on the road than the ID4, and for it's size it is very spacious. Back seat space is actually one of it's strengths. It is definitely bigger in the back than eg a Golf. The ID4 has a little more legroom and shoulder width in the rear than the ID3, but both are easily big enough to take 4 adults in comfort. The difference is in storage space, where the ID4 has a significantly bigger boot and can take a roof box, which the ID3 can't.
I have both on the drive, and drive them both on a regular basis.
 
#72 ·
Ambassador Spock said:
How long is your average startup time? Mine is usually fine, it is really just connecting to the phone that can occasionally take ages. (And this has been across four different phones so I doubt it is a phone issue)
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Good question. I guess it's more of a 1st world problem. i.e. it doesn't actually cause any issues. Anyone used to aTesla screen might have more problems with it though. I'm told it's a much better experience with the newer VW models.
 
#73 · (Edited)
Ambassador Spock said:
New infotainment as in more responsive and physical buttons? Honestly those are the only two things we don't like about the ID.4 (besides the size), so we may be willing to up our budget a bit for a new ID.3 with those improvements...

edit: Looks like this one has 5 seats:

Not sure about an upgraded infotainment, though it does look a bit different form out '21 ID.4. I wonder if it has the self-parking feature I read about...
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The new ID cars have a different and apparently much faster infotainment system. It also comes with improved charging speeds, and battery heating for rapid charging.
The haptics are laid out slightly differently but there are no physical buttons. The sliders are back-lit.

It sounds like you have a lot of problems with your infotainment. Both of ours (71 reg cars) work well now. In case it helps with your ID4, I find the following tips make it better:
  • don't use keyless entry. Open the car with the key fob from a distance before you go to open it. It seems to get going quicker if it has more time to wake up before you sit down.
  • when you sit down, don't press the brake pedal until the infotainment has fully woken up (usually maybe 30 seconds for me, sometimes a bit more or less). Again, it seems wake up faster and then run smoother if it is trying to do less at once (after the brake pedal is pressed, it obviously has to prioritise all the driving systems).
  • if android auto or carplay are taking ages to connect, make sure you are always using the same method (wired or wireless). I usually use wireless and it's fairly quick (usually connects to it inside that 30 seconds that the infotainment is booting up, occasionally there is a little more delay). However if I ever plug it in to charge before it has connected wirelessly, it makes a wired connection instead...and then the next time I get in it takes much longer than normal to connect wirelessly, sometimes requiring me to reinitiate the connection. As long I never plug in the charging cable until the wireless connection is already set up, it works fine.
When I do this, it always runs pretty smoothly when driving. Of course sometimes I'm in more of a rush to start driving or it's inconvenient to use the key, but then I know to expect it to be slower to get everything connected and fully operational.
 
Discussion starter · #74 ·
sidehaas said:
The new ID cars have a different and apparently much faster infotainment system. It also comes with improved charging speeds, and battery heating for rapid charging.
The haptics are laid out slightly differently but there are no physical buttons. The sliders are back-lit.

It sounds like you have a lot of problems with your infotainment. Both of ours (71 reg cars) work well now. In case it helps with your ID4, I find the following tips make it better:
  • don't use keyless entry. Open the car with the key fob from a distance before you go to open it. It seems to get going quicker if it has more time to wake up before you sit down.
  • when you sit down, don't press the brake pedal until the infotainment has fully woken up (usually maybe 30 seconds for me, sometimes a bit more or less). Again, it seems wake up faster and then run smoother if it is trying to do less at once (after the brake pedal is pressed, it obviously has to prioritise all the driving systems).
  • if android auto or carplay are taking ages to connect, make sure you are always using the same method (wired or wireless). I usually use wireless and it's fairly quick (usually connects to it inside that 30 seconds that the infotainment is booting up, occasionally there is a little more delay). However if I ever plug it in to charge before it has connected wirelessly, it makes a wired connection instead...and then the next time I get in it takes much longer than normal to connect wirelessly, sometimes requiring me to reinitiate the connection. As long I never plug in the charging cable until the wireless connection is already set up, it works fine.
When I do this, it always runs pretty smoothly when driving. Of course sometimes I'm in more of a rush to start driving or it's inconvenient to use the key, but then I know to expect it to be slower to get everything connected and fully operational.
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Thanks, these are really good suggestions. I'm pretty sure my ID.4 doesn't support keyless entry so I've always had to use the key. I do tend to press the brake pedal immediately though, I'll try delaying that a bit and see if it helps. On the last suggestion, I do seem to have more issues after my wife has driven it - the car seems to look for her phone for ages before finally letting me select my phone. That's mainly an issue as we swap cars pretty often, but might be less of a problem if I drive the ID.4 more...
 
#75 ·
Ambassador Spock said:
Thanks, these are really good suggestions. I'm pretty sure my ID.4 doesn't support keyless entry so I've always had to use the key. I do tend to press the brake pedal immediately though, I'll try delaying that a bit and see if it helps. On the last suggestion, I do seem to have more issues after my wife has driven it - the car seems to look for her phone for ages before finally letting me select my phone. That's mainly an issue as we swap cars pretty often, but might be less of a problem if I drive the ID.4 more...
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Might also be worth doing a factory reset and setting everything up again. If there is an option to set a particular phone as the default then set yours. If there old phones in there then delete them and see if that makes any difference to the connection time.
 
#77 ·
As far as I can tell the infotainment issues aren't an issue on the newer cars. I can't specifically comment on where ID3's are with it as I haven't driven one but drive 2022/23 ID4's at work and own a 2025 ID5 and my own car is snappy and responsive compared to the work cars.

Not sure if it's just my settings but the screen in my own car seems to be a bit better colour/sharpness wise as well.
 
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